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Coach Q Quote on Starting Enes or Rudy

Our draft pick this year will likely be another wing.

With Dante, Alec, Hayward, Hood all having a lot of potential at the wing, and with Hayward's added mass, Hayward could be our small 4 when we need someon to play that.

Keeping 3 legit bigs is not a bad idea.
 
Everyone thinks "ooooh the cap is going up max eeeerryone." Every players in the leagues salary is going up bros, it's not some kind of magic.
 
8 and 10 aren't going to be what 8 and 10 used to be. I don't think either are realistic, and it's our own fault for how we managed him with Corbin and PT in the past. Should've known more by end of last season so we could've given him a number he felt was on point, instead of having to deal with inflated contracts of this offseason. Either way, it's not a huge deal. Read the thread "Kanter's influence on our salary cap" by Hedda Gambler for a nice breakdown of why the only logical move is to sign him at almost any cost this offseason.

And as I said in the Hedda Gambler's thread, I think we can get better player(s) for the amount Kanter will most likely cost us(12+).
 
I don't know why you refuse to believe Enes is expendable. I can admit he is a good player, but is redundant. We need to round out the roster.

He is expendable, just like everyone else is until we start winning.

Redundant? No. He is our only big who can post up and still shoot 3's. He is our best offensive rebounder (one of the best in the league actually), and is our only big who shoots above 70% from the FT line (he shoots 82%). He's not redundant.

Favors and Gobert might be redundant from a skillset standpoint, but that is probably a luxury more thab a redundancy.

Our team needs better wing players to help Hayward, and better PG's to feed our bigs and stem the opposing offensive penetration at the source, right?

^well, we have Dante who is developing, and Neto who we haven't even seen in the NBa yet, trading for another PG is probably premature and could stunt Dante's growth: a prospect who could be our franchise player.

As for wings, we have Alec and Hood, and a lotto pick coming in the wing portion of this draft.

As for money? With the cap, our situation and contract structuring, etc. is not an issue.

Best course of action? Sit tight unless someone offers something that blows you away.

Rudy, Enes, and Derrick can all get 32 mins-a-piece.
 
And as I said in the Hedda Gambler's thread, I think we can get better player(s) for the amount Kanter will most likely cost us(12+).


So if that's your position, you should sign him and then trade him when the value is on your side again. Trading him now couldn't possibly fetch his value because of his expiring contract, and letting him walk is bad business when you consider where we're at financially.

Expiring contracts are only valuable for teams who acquire them as salary dumps accompanied with picks.
 
So if that's your position, you should sign him and then trade him when the value is on your side again. Trading him now couldn't possibly fetch his value because of his expiring contract, and letting him walk is bad business when you consider where we're at financially.

Expiring contracts are only valuable for teams who acquire them as salary dumps accompanied with picks.

If he gets a big offer, his trade value diminishes, it doesn't go up. The only way his trade value increases after we re-sign him is if his salary is low enough(or he massively improves his play). Who would let go off big assets for one of the worst bigs in the league according to most advanced metrics ever conceived on a huge contract? The chance that we will simply get stuck with a horrible contract is too big, I think. If on the other hand we sign him for a good deal(then his trade value would increase), there is no reason to trade him, since he will be a good punch off the bench for us for affordable price.

For me the best solution is to trade him now before the deadline if we think he's going to get a big deal. If we think he's not going to command less than 10M , then by all means keep him.
 
If he gets a big offer, his trade value diminishes, it doesn't go up. The only way his trade value increases after we re-sign him is if his salary is low enough(or he massively improves his play). Who would let go off big assets for one of the worst bigs in the league according to most advanced metrics ever conceived on a huge contract? The chance that we will simply get stuck with a horrible contract is too big, I think. If on the other hand we sign him for a good deal(then his trade value would increase), there is no reason to trade him, since he will be a good punch off the bench for us for affordable price.

For me the best solution is to trade him now before the deadline if we think he's going to get a big deal. If we think he's not going to command less than 10M , then by all means keep him.

I'm not going to disagree with anything said here, but will expound on a few things.

1.) Enes is capable of huge offensive production in terms of scoring and rebounds. Playing with Rudy will only help him to improve this production.

2.) Nobody can account for how the TV deal will impact contracts. It's unprecedented. Everything is speculation, but if last year is any indication, Kanter will likely get a pretty sizable contract.

3.) Utah is still Utah. Players of this caliber don't usually come available to the Jazz. You hold on to them as long as you can. If the Jazz are happy with his development, and they don't have any free agents they want to pursue, the prudent thing will be to keep Kanter and sort out the rotation.

4.) If the Jazz don't trade him at the deadline, then they need to be prepared to match a MAX contract. It's the Hayward situation, not the Millsap/Jefferson situation. You don't let potential franchise caliber bigs walk on a RFA offer sheet. If they're not willing to match anything, they should strongly consider selling as high as possible and trade him now.

5.) I like that the Jazz are rehabbing his trade value. Over the course of the season, he could potentially become one of the most coveted assets available. They don't have to trade him, but if an opportunity to land an All -Star caliber player comes along, you package Kanter into that deal if you need to. . . although. . . if the Jazz can turn their draft picks into an asset, the ability to match his contract is very valuable.

6.) I think Kanter's ceiling is a poor man's Kevin Love. Strong offensive scorer and rebounder, but a negative on defense. With a long-term rotation of Gobert, Kanter and Favors. . . I could easily see Kanter continue to improve to a 20-10 level player and actually have him be more valuable on his 2nd contract like Love was. Especially if the market isn't a MAX level deal. I'm almost certain that he'll end up with a 4 year - near max deal with a player option on the last season. I can live with that, although I'd prefer to see them aggressively pursue another wing to pair with Hayward.
 
Yeah, I don't think Kanter gets a Max offer anymore. in looking over the teams that are likely going to have capspace most are looking to pile up assets and Kanter at a Max salary is not really an asset. He isn't going to be a piece that puts you into contention like Hayward could have been for the right team. Maxing Kanter is the kind of decision that gets you fired as a GM if it doesn't pay off. If the Jazz don't trade him, I suspect that he will be back on a contract negotiated with the Jazz similar or just under what Favors is getting. How many teams with a Max sized slot would value Kanter more than Utah?
 
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