Derrick Favors by the numbers

[The Shocker]

This is the best post of the thread.

But seriously, when nerd tells me that I'm wrong, I'll actually listen. When GVC and nerd tell me I'm wrong, then I'm probably very wrong.


I guess there's a first time for everything, though. Favors blows.

Best post in the thread? On the surface, I won't argue with his line of thinking. He's correct. But his comparison to Kwame is terrible. In Brown's second season, he played 22.2 minutes a game, or one more minute than Favors' 21.2 minutes this year. However, Brown averaged just 7.4 points per game on 44.6% from the floor which is freakin beyond awful for a big. He added 5.3 rebounds and 1.0 blocks. Meanwhile, Favors in 21.2 minutes averaged 6.5 rebounds, 8.8 points and 49.9% from the floor. The latter leaves a lot to be desired but still, along with the numbers, it blows Kwame's numbers away. And the rebounding specifically is probably even more impressive when you consider the other strong rebounders we have around Favors like Kanter, Millsap, and Jefferson. I doubt the Wiz had a stable like that, taking boards away from Brown at times.

 

[green]

the other problem is minutes. until recently, with the 3-big lineup, the guy was basically capped at 20 minutes. because no matter how well he was playing, corbin always pulled him to go back to big al.... pretty much always. there have been so many nights when favors was the better player and still wound up watching the late fourth quarter from the bench. look at his march numbers: even though it was his best month of the season, he exceeded 23 minutes only THREE times, and two of those were because al was injured.

per-36 numbers in march: 16.4 points, 12.8 rebounds, 1.4 blocks, 1.4 steals. he's just not getting the minutes, no matter how well he plays.

This is why I honestly believe that if the Jazz would have amnestied Jefferson before last season, their record would be the same. There were games Jefferson won for us, but there at least as many games that he lost for us.

 

[ema]

Interesting bump, and I still stand by my original statement. He sure beats the snot out of Weenus Koonter though, which is surprising.

BUMMER. Now I find out you don't understand Basketball and talent too.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

10/10




Sig-Worthy.

Interesting bump, and I still stand by my original statement. He sure beats the snot out of Weenus Koonter though, which is surprising.

I don't think Trout is that far off. Favors really hasn't shown the offensive ability to be an All-Star yet.

I would bet he will make an All-Defensive team before he makes the All-Star team.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Favors is very good with immense upside .. but also a bit overvalued, imo, by Jazz fans. I just wish he'd get tons of confidence and get a mean streak going. Punch a couple midgets or something.

 

[TroutBum]

BUMMER. Now I find out you don't understand Basketball and talent too.

Wait, wait, wait... Are you angry with me because I said Koonter isn't as good as I had hoped and thought? Anyone that isn't from your little armpit of the world agrees. Once he learns to not bring the ball down to his knees before he jumps -- EVERY TIME -- and that an up n' under is a great move, but not -- EVERY TIME -- then let's chat. I'm thinking he'll be wearing a 76'ers jersey by this point, so we won't have the chance to talk it out.

 

[ema]

Wait, wait, wait... Are you angry with me because I said Koonter isn't as good as I had hoped and thought? Anyone that isn't from your little armpit of the world agrees. Once he learns to not bring the ball down to his knees before he jumps -- EVERY TIME -- and that an up n' under is a great move, but not -- EVERY TIME -- then let's chat. I'm thinking he'll be wearing a 76'ers jersey by this point, so we won't have the chance to talk it out.

Actually I'm on Favors subject.

 

[TroutBum]

Actually I'm on Favors subject.

Even worse.

 

[ema]

Even worse.

Am I the only one who isn't on the Favors bandwagon? I just don't see why people are all over his nuts. He isn't really that good, doesn't look to have much potential, and plays two or three mediocre games for every awesome game he has. I'm not trying to be a dick here or hating on him -- I actually like him -- but I just don't get it. He's a great backup, nothing more.

That's funny right there.

To the point though, I'm not trolling. Also, I don't look at stats (unless I'm writing up something about Chucker J. Smiles -- can you blame me?) so I have no idea what his numbers are. Frankly, I don't care either. He's better than Millsap and Jefferson? And people think I'm trolling...

I just don't see it, guys. He has piss poor handle on the ball. He has ZERO post moves. He has no mid-range game. He is a head case. Granted, he can rebound and occasionally has a break-out game, but give me a break, he is not a starter on many teams, and certainly not the Jazz. Like I said, I don't look at stats, I watch the games. He will always be "good", but will never sniff an all-star game.

OK, I tried to give you a chance and I reread these quotes. But no I can't agree with you, not in this world.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Favors is very good with immense upside .. but also a bit overvalued, imo, by Jazz fans. I just wish he'd get tons of confidence and get a mean streak going. Punch a couple midgets or something.

I just think it's the lack of natural scoring ability. He doesn't seem to have a great feel around the rim and his jumper kind of sucks. Those are all things that can be improved, like Millsap did, but it's not a guarantee.

 

[jazzfan1971]

Favors needs some easy buckets. Fast break, PnR, drop offs.

He's not getting much of any of that right now. Not sure if that's Corbin's or Harris' fault. But, I believe he'd benefit greatly from more running and more PnR. Oh, and a PG that could penetrate the lane and drop off the ball for an easy dunk now and then.

He's not at a point in his development where you can just dump the ball off to him in the low block and expect him to get you points with good efficiency. Maybe he will be one day, maybe he won't, but I think if we ran more, if we PnR more his offensive stats would improve and folks would think he's a better player.

As long as we're running the 'walk the ball up the court and give the ball to Jefferson on the low block and watch' offense Favors is going to struggle to impress.

 

[Gameface]

Favors needs some easy buckets. Fast break, PnR, drop offs.

He's not getting much of any of that right now. Not sure if that's Corbin's or Harris' fault. But, I believe he'd benefit greatly from more running and more PnR. Oh, and a PG that could penetrate the lane and drop off the ball for an easy dunk now and then.

He's not at a point in his development where you can just dump the ball off to him in the low block and expect him to get you points with good efficiency. Maybe he will be one day, maybe he won't, but I think if we ran more, if we PnR more his offensive stats would improve and folks would think he's a better player.

As long as we're running the 'walk the ball up the court and give the ball to Jefferson on the low block and watch' offense Favors is going to struggle to impress.

I know, right? It's literally been weeks since I've seen Favors have a good game.