Devin Harris on Al Jefferson: Jazz fans will be surprised if they see him

[sepanol]

This is an idiotic statement, and shows immaturity. Speaking as a big time Jazz and 49ers fan where would Malone And Jerry Rice be if they weren't the hardest workout warriors ever. Your going to sit here and tell us working out harder and longer then you ever have isn't going to help, even just a little!!

soo Malone is Malone just because of working out? Thanks, i see you are so mature and intelligent
its ridiculous how people get things by their *** instead of brain and manipulate my words

In sports, everyone needs to workout to get stronger and execute their job better, but if you dont have fundamentals and talent, you already cant rise to where Malone was, Big Al doesnt have any problem with his general strength, he is talented but has problem with fundamentals, decision making and defense, capito?

 

[sepanol]

The funny thing is that I basically view Kanter as a young version of Al Jefferson. And it would be quite easy to have them both for the next 3 years. Kanter is on his rookie deal for the next 4, and Jefferson is on his current one for two years. Just have to resign Big Al.

I think their only similarity is their foot games under the rim.
And even though Kanter is on rookie contract, he will get around 6 in his 3rd year, as well as Favors. Hayward will get less but im pretty sure, we will make a new contract with him instead of giving a qualifying offer for the 4th year which equals to 4,7 million. So if you dont wanna get more than 4 players on the roster we can resign Big Al (which probably he wont agree less than 14 million per year) but i think we gotta have at least 12 to compete, so basically we dont have the flexibility with this group of players to resign Big Al after 3 years (unless we dismiss either kanter or favors)

 

[vj_74]

it is irrelevant, i never told kanter is good because of his phsyic, or because he is working hard, it is already something every player should do, he is good because he is talented and has basketball iq which Big Al doesnt have. He can workout day and night, but he wont become a Tim Duncan or Kevin Garnett

who expects Big Al to play like Garnett anyways, after a few workouts in the gym?
If working out is going to improve his conditioning and thereby his mobility/quickness/defensive stamina even a small bit, it is still improvement that is very much welcome. Did anyone here say that workouts is the ONLY thing that can make a player great? (Although I can actually make a good case for workout regimen being the difference between good and great in the case of Malone. He certainly didnt have the post moves of an Olajuwon or the versatility of Barkley(who could get away with being a fat *** from time to time because of his talent))
Also, you make it sound like as if Big Al is talentless and wouldnt benefit much from working out in the gym.

 

[sepanol]

who expects Big Al to play like Garnett anyways, after a few workouts in the gym?
If working out is going to improve his conditioning and thereby his mobility/quickness/defensive stamina even a small bit, it is still improvement that is very much welcome. Did anyone here say that workouts is the ONLY thing that can make a player great? (Although I can actually make a good case for workout regimen being the difference between good and great in the case of Malone. He certainly didnt have the post moves of an Olajuwon or the versatility of Barkley(who could get away with being a fat *** from time to time because of his talent))
Also, you make it sound like as if Big Al is talentless and wouldnt benefit much from working out in the gym.

the guy i responded to make it sound like workout was the only thing to make Malone that good, so i added, without fundamentals and talent you cant go much further. And i never said Big Al is talentless, he is very talented player who can never use his talents as good as he is supposed to use. If you look at him, he has good post game, big body while not so slow in offense, strength and long arms. But sometimes he messes everything up with some stupid mistakes he does. And i think he will never be a franchise player in a contender thats my only concern, otherwise im not a hater of Big Al , just i dont see him fitting with our goals.

Btw thanks for a pretty logical message without manipulating my points

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Big Al doesn't have fundamentals and talent? This is news to me. I always though one of his biggest weaknesses last year were his conditioning and explosiveness. If he can improve those things, they should definitely help him improve as a player.

 

[Basketball_Romantic23]

Big Al is a stud on the block. He is a top 5 isolation player in the pos. he is lacking in a lot of other departments though. his defense has a lot to be desired. i can kind of see the Kanter/jefferson comparison. frankly, i think Kanter will prove to have some mark madsen in him too which will be a good thing; he'll play hard with and without the ball!

 

[Basketball_Romantic23]

oops! i meant top 5 isolation player in the block...

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Big Al is a stud on the block. He is a top 5 isolation player in the pos. he is lacking in a lot of other departments though. his defense has a lot to be desired. i can kind of see the Kanter/jefferson comparison. frankly, i think Kanter will prove to have some mark madsen in him too which will be a good thing; he'll play hard with and without the ball!

That's what makes Sepanol's dislike for Jefferson so ironic.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

Sepanol I will argue that Jefferson came into the league with more talent then Malone did when he came in. Malone was able to grow up as a b-ball player in a pf friendly system. With 2 good pg's and a good pf to learn from. Malone was on a team that pushed him to get better, he was on a team that with a great system and good coaching. Malone was in a n environment that helped that motivated players desire to want to be better. There is no doubting he came into a great situation. Because of such he new if he wanted to be great and a winner he needed to work to get better, because of this he went from just a big brute bad free-throw shooter no outside game to the greatest pf in the game.

Let's look at Al, he was drafted to a bad celtics team that had clearly given up Thier best player wanted out. Pg play was horrible. There was no offensive system to speak of. This was a first come first serve offense. Then he gets traded to an even bigger black hole. He never had a good pg to play with never had anyone to mentor him never learned the pick n roll never was in a team ball offense.

I'm not a Big Al homer he does things that drive me crazy, but after 7 or so years of that crap is enough to break anyone. I did see improvement at the end of the year, and to hear that he is dedicating himself this offseason, how can you not be happy to know this. After 7 years of the Celtics and Wolves it will take a couple years to learn the winning way.

 

[sepanol]

Big Al doesn't have fundamentals and talent? This is news to me. I always though one of his biggest weaknesses last year were his conditioning and explosiveness. If he can improve those things, they should definitely help him improve as a player.

i said he is very talented but doesnt have fundamentals, i dont know how you guys read what i write, read the previous post carefully pleaseeeeee!

 

[sepanol]

That's what makes Sepanol's dislike for Jefferson so ironic.

You dont even know if i dislike Big Al, just guys like you rise him to a divine level thats why i give a contrary reaction, he is just Big Al, he is not Garnett, he was given to wolves with 5 other players to fill Garnett's place but he couldnt. Lets face the truth, i would prefer to see a guy like Scola in my team instead, who is pretty productive, and doesnt get paid 14 million per year. Freaking Griffin is supposed to get 14 milllion at the age of 26 not him.
Btw same for your dislike at Kanter, its ironic too. Does anyone question why you love Valanciunas so much even though he doesnt have any relation with our team being a competitor to Kanter in the youth tournaments? So everyone has favourite players, and Big Al isnt my favourite for sure, i dont need to love him just to make people happy

 

[sepanol]

Sepanol I will argue that Jefferson came into the league with more talent then Malone did when he came in. Malone was able to grow up as a b-ball player in a pf friendly system. With 2 good pg's and a good pf to learn from. Malone was on a team that pushed him to get better, he was on a team that with a great system and good coaching. Malone was in a n environment that helped that motivated players desire to want to be better. There is no doubting he came into a great situation. Because of such he new if he wanted to be great and a winner he needed to work to get better, because of this he went from just a big brute bad free-throw shooter no outside game to the greatest pf in the game.

Let's look at Al, he was drafted to a bad celtics team that had clearly given up Thier best player wanted out. Pg play was horrible. There was no offensive system to speak of. This was a first come first serve offense. Then he gets traded to an even bigger black hole. He never had a good pg to play with never had anyone to mentor him never learned the pick n roll never was in a team ball offense.

I'm not a Big Al homer he does things that drive me crazy, but after 7 or so years of that crap is enough to break anyone. I did see improvement at the end of the year, and to hear that he is dedicating himself this offseason, how can you not be happy to know this. After 7 years of the Celtics and Wolves it will take a couple years to learn the winning way.

I dont know Malone as well as you, so i am not gonna discuss him, but i know he was chosen to be best defender 1 or 2 times maybe, that means that guy can defend. And he was a very good scorer for sure, i dont know how talented he was, maybe less than Big Al but that means he could use his talent.

When we traded Big Al i was so happy to see a guy with 20 10 on the paper after Boozer is gone. Because jerry's system is based on Pf-Pg pick n roll games mostly. But i watched the guy for 1 year, and i saw that he scored more when he was the first option in the team and made more attempts , not because he improved himself by margin. I dont remember any games, where he helped us win so much. Look at the period where we were beating everyone in the east tour miami , atlanta and else, Millsap and Deron was the main guys there, not him . Of course he scores more than millsap, because he has an obvious body advantage and he is harder to defend but he is paid damn 14 million per year. It is not neglectable, while there is millsap who is eager to get the half, while we have two young studs Kanter and Favors, why so much stuck on Big Al? If we dont have the flexibility to trade him now, when will we have it?
I would understand if we had Dj mbenga, ben wallace and fesenko as a trio, we could do anything to keep it, but we already have so much depth, and Big Al never proved me anything to show he is worth 14 million per year (will be 15 the upcoming year), did he prove to you?