Do the Jazz get out of the first round?
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This is Don first franchise, unless you're counting Ryan Smith's wallet as #1. If the Jazz get out in the first round, I think a Don-Rudy split is likely with it much more likely that Rudy is gone. The only way it isn't Rudy is if Don himself demands out first, which is a possibility to be sure. When Rudy gets traded, we probably struggle to make the playoffs and at that point it's just a waiting game until Mitchell demands out.
Therein lies the problem. We’ll move Rudy to go all-in on Don and it will collapse, leaving us with nothing.
I think Don will leave in a PG way and not in a Hayward way, which won't leave us with nothing. I never had any delusions that Mitchell would be a Jazz lifer, so I'm not too bothered if/when he demands a trade. It's got to be broken down some way or another....I think I'll look back more harshly on the mistakes that were already made versus a Rudy trade. We have a very talented team, but the complete disregard for defense and Quin's coaching have capped this team more than the talent itself.
You’ll get about 50 cents on the dollar by moving Rudy. May get about 65 cents on the dollar moving Donovan. Move Rudy first and you’ll end up making both those moves.
Move Quin and you may get anywhere from 80-120 cents on the dollar.
But we should probably have Rudy be a lifer. But I don’t think we will. I’m afraid we’ll sacrifice the more prolonged relevance he could bring for a really terrible season or two of Donovan and Quin floundering around before we cash in DM for the 60 cents.
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I honestly don’t think so.
I think this team is older and slower.
It’s lost some shooting and playmaking from last year.
The 3D/energy guy has been neglected for too long. We’ve whiffed too much in the draft. Our last two drafts we’ve taken players who don’t even play ahead of players who are absolute studs.
I think there are some chemistry issues either between superstars or between players and the coach.
I think we’re about ready to implode like Portland did tbh. I think players are going to be demanding trades next year. And I wouldn’t blame them. You’re not competing for anything here, the FO has proven to be incompetent, and you never get attention in this small market.
Hope I’m wrong but this team gives me really bad vibes.
I think this team is older and slower.
It’s lost some shooting and playmaking from last year.
The 3D/energy guy has been neglected for too long. We’ve whiffed too much in the draft. Our last two drafts we’ve taken players who don’t even play ahead of players who are absolute studs.
I think there are some chemistry issues either between superstars or between players and the coach.
I think we’re about ready to implode like Portland did tbh. I think players are going to be demanding trades next year. And I wouldn’t blame them. You’re not competing for anything here, the FO has proven to be incompetent, and you never get attention in this small market.
Hope I’m wrong but this team gives me really bad vibes.
jom2003
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We had multiple opportunities to retool since 2020 but we decided to run basically the same team for three years in a row. So now retool will look more like a rebuild if it ever comes to that point
jom2003
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If you let Forrest handle the ball it won't be much of a problem cuz it forces the opponent to guard you, which is exactly why a guy like Herb Jones will struggle to see minutes here. If you aren't a ball handler, you'd better be a shooter/floor spacer because our entire offense lives on spacing. Just imagine a guy other than Donovan handling the ball in situations like this, it'd easily become a TO and fast break points on the other end.
Sean
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The regular season last year was an anomaly - not the postseason collapse. That seems to be par the course.
But really, going back to 2000, the Jazz has been remarkably consistent when they actually do make the playoffs - they're typically slotted in that 4/5 game.
The #1 seed last year was a fluke built out of maybe the flukiest season in NBA history (well outside the bubble...) since so many games were canceled/postponed. It was just not a season indicative of the actual competence. Beyond that, teams like Memphis and Golden State are clearly much better than they were last year.
But I can't help but go back to the 2000 season.
That 2000 season was it for the Stockton and Malone era Jazz as NBA contenders. They finished 2nd in the West, but struggled, like the season before, in the first-round and, like the season before, lost to Portland in the semifinals. That was it - that was the last time the Jazz actually felt like a contender (up until last season's fluke results). Over twenty years of remarkable consistency (in years they made the playoffs):
2001: 4th
2002: 8th
2003: 7th
2007: 4th
2008: 4th
2009: 8th
2010: 5th
2012: 8th
2017: 5th
2018: 5th
2019: 5th
2020: 6th
2021: 1st
2022? Currently 4th
Since that 2000 season, when the Jazz finished 2nd, they've made the playoffs 13 times prior to this season. Seven times, or almost half, they've been in that 4/5 match-up, which they're slotted for at the moment.
It's amazing how consistent this franchise is at being just good but hardly ever great.
Unfortunately, just being good in the regular season frequently translates into being a fairly mediocre playoff team and that's what the Jazz is (and that's being generous), having bowed out of the first/second rounds 13 of their last 14 playoff appearances. The one exception? 2007 when Golden State upset Dallas in the first-round, knocking out the top-seeded Mavs and the Jazz made the WCF where they got completely torched by the Spurs.
But really, going back to 2000, the Jazz has been remarkably consistent when they actually do make the playoffs - they're typically slotted in that 4/5 game.
The #1 seed last year was a fluke built out of maybe the flukiest season in NBA history (well outside the bubble...) since so many games were canceled/postponed. It was just not a season indicative of the actual competence. Beyond that, teams like Memphis and Golden State are clearly much better than they were last year.
But I can't help but go back to the 2000 season.
That 2000 season was it for the Stockton and Malone era Jazz as NBA contenders. They finished 2nd in the West, but struggled, like the season before, in the first-round and, like the season before, lost to Portland in the semifinals. That was it - that was the last time the Jazz actually felt like a contender (up until last season's fluke results). Over twenty years of remarkable consistency (in years they made the playoffs):
2001: 4th
2002: 8th
2003: 7th
2007: 4th
2008: 4th
2009: 8th
2010: 5th
2012: 8th
2017: 5th
2018: 5th
2019: 5th
2020: 6th
2021: 1st
2022? Currently 4th
Since that 2000 season, when the Jazz finished 2nd, they've made the playoffs 13 times prior to this season. Seven times, or almost half, they've been in that 4/5 match-up, which they're slotted for at the moment.
It's amazing how consistent this franchise is at being just good but hardly ever great.
Unfortunately, just being good in the regular season frequently translates into being a fairly mediocre playoff team and that's what the Jazz is (and that's being generous), having bowed out of the first/second rounds 13 of their last 14 playoff appearances. The one exception? 2007 when Golden State upset Dallas in the first-round, knocking out the top-seeded Mavs and the Jazz made the WCF where they got completely torched by the Spurs.
homeytennis
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House is riding to the rescue.