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Donald Fires FBI Director who's investigating Russian Election Hacking

Biggest news in awhile. Might spell the end of Rosenstein, Sessions, and Mueller. Who could predict it would be the "failing" New York Times that would provide Trump with the "information" he needs to end the investigation? Everything is up in the air now...

https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2018/09/the-new-york-times-just-smeared-rod-rosenstein.html

Washington Post reporting that any remark by Rosenstein of wearing a wire around Trump was sarcastic...

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligence...on-would-be-disaster-for-the-rule-of-law.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...aa9a62-bdca-11e8-8792-78719177250f_story.html

And in a Friday night rally, Trump promised to rid the DOJ of "a lingering stench":

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2018/09...gering-stench/Y60SyFpXWJiBYlVsOlzD9M/amp.html
 
Biggest news in awhile. Might spell the end of Rosenstein, Sessions, and Mueller. Who could predict it would be the "failing" New York Times that would provide Trump with the "information" he needs to end the investigation? Everything is up in the air now...

https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2018/09/the-new-york-times-just-smeared-rod-rosenstein.html

Washington Post reporting that any remark by Rosenstein of wearing a wire around Trump was sarcastic...

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligence...on-would-be-disaster-for-the-rule-of-law.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...aa9a62-bdca-11e8-8792-78719177250f_story.html

And in a Friday night rally, Trump promised to rid the DOJ of "a lingering stench":

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2018/09...gering-stench/Y60SyFpXWJiBYlVsOlzD9M/amp.html

Rosenstein and Sessions are no brainers. Wait until there won't be backlash(after midterms) and he's going to fire them.

But dismissing the Mueller investigation as a whole would bring the ban hammer down. And if the GOP didn't cooperate, I think we'd see some attempts at mushroomprick's life.
 


Odds he makes it past Thursday?


I'm not sure I can tell yet... but even getting this close is difficult. Donnie's made up his mind. It might as well be happening. But there's not a real statement? I guess? *shrug*
 
I'm not sure I can tell yet... but even getting this close is difficult. Donnie's made up his mind. It might as well be happening. But there's not a real statement? I guess? *shrug*
My theory is that someone in the White House floated this rumor that Rod was stepping down, maybe in the hopes that he would take the hint and do so? Not sure what else makes any sense, and we've seen this stupid game play out before with other Trump appointees.
 
My theory is that someone in the White House floated this rumor that Rod was stepping down, maybe in the hopes that he would take the hint and do so? Not sure what else makes any sense, and we've seen this stupid game play out before with other Trump appointees.
It would appear Rosenstein's cat is simultaneously alive, dead ,fired ,resigned, retired and suspended, with and without pay
 
This just in, Felix has also requested a leave of absence.

Fox reports that it's administrative, while MSNBC reports sebatical.
 
My theory is that someone in the White House floated this rumor that Rod was stepping down, maybe in the hopes that he would take the hint and do so? Not sure what else makes any sense, and we've seen this stupid game play out before with other Trump appointees.

Abramson has a theory.

 
Abramson has a theory.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">NOTE/BREAKING: The Kavanaugh nom is falling apart and Trump is looking for a distraction to help alleviate the news attention and pressure on that story—the White House is now saying Trump and Rosenstein will meet THURSDAY. So this feels like an attempt to shift Americans&#39; focus.</p>&mdash; Seth Abramson (@SethAbramson) <a href="">September 24, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I don't really go for Abramson's theories, he's too grifty for me. I don't know that the distraction angle makes any sense either.

Based on this:



I think the Trump team wants to find a way to get rid of Rosenstein without having to fire him because that opens Trump up to more obstruction charges.

We've seen confusing exits from the white house before and 'twitter firings.' I think the white house is trying to create a situation like that, to force him out rather than outright fire him.

*Edit* Guess there's something to it after all.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/201...mbid=social_twitter&__twitter_impression=true
 
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Well, I hope this analysis from the Post is more or less accurate...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amph...n-its-too-late-to-protect-trump-from-mueller/

"Let’s run down what happens now with regard to the Russia investigation. Rosenstein is supervising Mueller because Attorney General Jeff Sessions had to recuse himself from the matter, as a high-ranking official in the Trump campaign who had his own contacts with Russian officials in 2016. The president has made clear that he believes the job of the attorney general is to protect him from legal and political jeopardy; as he put it in a recent interview: “I don’t have an attorney general. It’s very sad.” But, unless and until Sessions is replaced — which many believe will happen after November’s election — responsibility for the Mueller investigation falls down the chain of command.

While Trump might replace Sessions and seems likely to replace Rosenstein, both of those positions require Senate confirmation. Not only does that take some time, but also when it happens, the nominees will without question be grilled about whether they plan to fire Mueller and if they had any communication with Trump or anyone else in the White House about that possibility. By being so public and obvious about his desire to have Justice Department leadership that would quash the investigation on his behalf, Trump has made it almost impossible for anyone he appoints to be in a position to do the one thing he seeks from them.

But in any case, permanent replacements for Rosenstein and possibly Sessions wouldn’t be in place for weeks or even months. In the meantime, responsibility for the investigation would fall to Solicitor General Noel Francisco. Which may give Trump hope, because Francisco is a movement conservative who is just the kind of Republican lawyer from whom Trump might expect loyalty.

But that is no guarantee. Francisco might well refuse to fire Mueller, realizing that doing so would set him down in history as a key player in a blatant attempt to obstruct justice by halting an investigation into the president’s misdeeds for no reason other than that the president doesn’t want to be held accountable. He might even recuse himself from the Russia investigation because his former law firm, Jones Day, represents the Trump campaign.

But wait, there’s more. While the law is a little murky, it may be that if Rosenstein resigns, Trump can immediately replace him with a new acting deputy attorney general (who could then fire Mueller), while if Rosenstein is fired, he can’t. As of this writing, there are conflicting reports about what Rosenstein is actually thinking and has said: NBC says he will refuse to resign, while the Post reports that “Rosenstein has told White House officials he is willing to resign.”

But we have to remember that if one way or another Trump can find someone to fire Mueller, it would be a political crisis even more dramatic than most of the ones he has already created. Every newspaper and TV news program would be talking about impeachment. If his aides have succeeded in convincing him not to fire Sessions, they may well be able to convince him not to order Mueller’s firing."
 
I notice you did not reply to my comment to you immediately prior to the one you reply to here. I did not realize you were a coward who lacked the backbone to just admit you were mistaken. I also can't help but notice your replies grow more frustrated as you realize you really cannot discredit Mueller's integrity and acknowledge Trump's lack of honor.

I don't put anyone on ignore, report anyone, or lobby management to ban anyone. If I do try to reason with management, it always follows the principles of advocating tolerance for differing views and upholding "Freedom of Speech" in this site.

But, honestly, Red, I don't read most of what you post in here because I don't have the time to care that much.

You've got a bit of Saul Alinsky in you to trump up charges of wrongdoing on your perceived political adversaries, of people whom you feel don't fully support your visions of a "better world" or the right line of "History". Even on issues we agree on, my ideas are not your kind of ideas about what to do about it.

I think the only chance we have to preserve ancient evidence of humanity is to let ranchers or farmers own the places. The Federal Government is effectively owned by cartelists whose only interest in archaeology lies in the path of keeping competitors from access to resources, and making those resources their own one day when the current resources play out. The whole idea of wilderness America is essentially owned by developers.

Mueller has zero integrity. The whole Russia probe he heads has found nothing on Trump dealing with Russia in any way, and the attempt by slimeball Mueller to obtain evidence through legal extortion is a stench on our whole country.

Rosenstein tricked Trump into firing Comey, imo. There is no crime whatsoever for Mueller to investigate, and giving Mueller a blank check to investigate everything in the world is actually a violation of what used to be the whole legal construct of "Special Investigators".

We are not following constitutional law about human rights in relation to limiting the powers of government or political abuse of government.

Mueller has a history of that abuse of his position in government in destroying people's lives, and he should be arrested and thrown in prison for the rest of his life. But his career as a political attack dog is perhaps matched by Manafort's career of profiteering by political influence for hire abroad.

Mark Levin turned the whole raft of conservative talking heads 180 the other day by making the case as to why the NYT was willing to thrown Rosenstein under the trumpbuster bus to bait Trump into firing him. Trump has been willing not only to instruct Sessions not to investigate any of Hillary's or Obama's crimes, but has considered it politically profitable to let Mueller go through the woods looking for whatever. I think Trump might be now vulnerable to trying to clean out his Whitehouse crew on lines of personal loyalty, but I think it would be a mistake if he did. It is smart to have people around you with wildly as well as widely different beliefs or views. I like to do that myself. But I do draw the line on people who wanna take down our Constitutional system and replace it with any kind of elite, top-down management. And maybe there are some of Trump's people who would represent that kind of issue who really need to be dismissed from our executive branch.

But Levin I think had a better explanation for why Rosenstein appointed a Special Prosecutor. It was that whathisname kingpin in the FBI who was demanding a 'criminal' investigation into Trump's campaign. I think the same kingpin who is now the subject of a second investigation, the father of your whole Trumpbuster "Resistance" campaign. Rosenstein was apparently willing to do what he asked simply to make the dude go away. He was and is a weak man who was just pressured into it.

I don't know what Trump is going to do about Rosenstein. I agree with Levin that it's a trap by the failing NYT which also failed to publicize the holocaust and even pressured FDR to turn away refugees trying to escape the holocaust. It's time to stop reading the NYT or even quote from this stinking sludge rag.

Rather than fire Sessions or anyone in this situation, it's time for Trump to take on the very divisive issue of Hillary's crimes, and Obama's. The abuse of government power is the critical issue. I think the whole campaign endorsed by so many in this little sports site to dump Trump has been created by Obama and who knows who else to deflect attention to their own wrongdoing.

Hillary did multimillion dollar deals with Putin, and practically put our entire State Department internal information out online where the Russians and Chinese could access it, and where she could do whatever she wanted "off the record" available for FOIA requests from American citizens.

And you'd rather foam at the mouth breathlessly over a dog loose in the woods of Trump's teams sniffing for red meat.

Dozens of Americans are dead because of Hillary's and Obama's lack of concern for American interests and American lives, spies killed by Xi and Putin and others, including terrorist organizations. And yes, Obama knew about Hillary's illegal server and he even used it himself when he wanted to evade FOIA probes in his correspondence with Hillary. That is the server that was physically destroyed after Hillary received a subpoena to produce it. That is real "Obstruction of Justice", bro. And until you get interested in prosecuting that, I can have no respect for you.

I just consider it useless to argue so much in a sports web site managed by Jason. yah, I used to think it sporting to try to poke into this GD forum with provocative different comments, but I never really thought I had a point anyone needed to swallow whole or adopt. Just sorta hoped to provoke some thought, without engaging in personal attacks.

You'll probably have to go looking for me in the one or two general Jazz team threads running about team leadership and sportsmanship and competitiveness.
 
But, honestly, Red, I don't read most of what you post in here because I don't have the time to care that much.

Honestly, @babe, I only provided you with a link describing the terms of Manafort's plea deal after you stated Manafort's lawyer said Manafort's cooperation did not cover any information regarding Trump. It was a transcript of the cooperation portion of the plea deal, and clearly contradicted Manafort's lawyer. Instead of just even glancing at the link, you told me how I should stop reading "that crap". It was not an opinion piece, it was a transcript. Objective reality, not alternative facts that you don't agree with. I was simply correcting your erroneous conclusion regarding the plea deal. If you don't care enough to even care what you yourself, not I, write, well, I guess I do get that by now. You like being a gadfly, I get it. Anyway, sorry if I got personal, I should exercise more self control, but you then questioned my integrity, and thems are fightin words, lol. Now, I ignored everything else you wrote here, following your example. Peace.
 
Honestly, @babe, I only provided you with a link describing the terms of Manafort's plea deal after you stated Manafort's lawyer said Manafort's cooperation did not cover any information regarding Trump. It was a transcript of the cooperation portion of the plea deal, and clearly contradicted Manafort's lawyer. Instead of just even glancing at the link, you told me how I should stop reading "that crap". It was not an opinion piece, it was a transcript. Objective reality, not alternative facts that you don't agree with. I was simply correcting your erroneous conclusion regarding the plea deal. If you don't care enough to even care what you yourself, not I, write, well, I guess I do get that by now. You like being a gadfly, I get it. Anyway, sorry if I got personal, I should exercise more self control, but you then questioned my integrity, and thems are fightin words, lol. Now, I ignored everything else you wrote here, following your example. Peace.

I read the terms of the cooperation agreement.

It is crap because Manafort was a nobody in Trumps camp, really. Not there long enough to make a difference. He has nothing "true" on Trump or his team. Russia cooperation with Trump didn't happen.

:Hillary did get help from the Ruskies.
 
I read the terms of the cooperation agreement.

It is crap because Manafort was a nobody in Trumps camp, really. Not there long enough to make a difference. He has nothing "true" on Trump or his team. Russia cooperation with Trump didn't happen.

:Hillary did get help from the Ruskies.
Manafort was his campaign manager...

He handpicked the VP, but really he was a nobody lol. Good one.
 
Manafort was his campaign manager...

He handpicked the VP, but really he was a nobody lol. Good one.

Trump listens to a lot of people. Manafort was a politically experienced operator.... been around everyone at one point or another.... offered power "contact" opportunities. I ran across him when the LPAC.... nominally anti-Brit socialists under Lyndon LaRouche, a one-time communist sympathizer and labor leader but now a firm Catholic with renaissance dreams rather than Marxist dreams, was getting information from him on Ukraine. LPAC supported Trump's campaign practically from day one. I think LPAC and Trump share "builder" instincts. LPAC has positive relations with Putin and Xi, to the level of having invitations to come speak at Silk Road conferences and such.

But Trump is just a simple, plain American with American notions of government run by the people who get to choose their President, who should build stuff to make people's lives better, and get better deals for Americans.

Hillary and Obama are ideological "Marxists" in some sense modified to our days I suppose, who sincerely believe they are doing good to take America---US---down a few notches. They also love to collect bribes with many zeros, millions at least, and don't care one bit if Russia or China gets a boatload of American technology or materiel for making nuclear missiles to aim at us. And they love to give stuff to terrorists who promise in some contorted way to help change the politics of Syria or any other country to favor some local Marxist ideologues.

So here we have the insanity of Mueller shaking down every Trump associate possible to trump up charges, while Comey looked at all Hillary had done in damage our national security with her private server doing classified traffic, and just looking the other way.

Americans lost their lives because of Hillary's indifference in Benghazi and five times as many Americans lost their lives in China because Hillary literally gave the Chinese the dirt of who our agents were. NOBODY knows haw many other Americans lost their lives because of these Marxist ideologues who were running our national affairs with that tilted view of what's "good".

You yourself are willing to cry about the trumped up charges on our border patrol and how we handle people, but you are blind to the fact that thousands of Mexicans are dying in the hands of competing gangs lined up across our border asserting territorial claims to the human trafficking business.

If we shut down the illegal business and open legal channels, we would save so many human lives.... but you don't care. You just repost NYT and other ideologically committed "news" propagandists and you love being part of the big wave.

I don't hate anyone, not you or Red or anyone at all. It seems frustrating trying to dislodge some of you from ideological blinders.
 
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