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I thought Trump was just saying the US was going to come down hard on SA? Oof

Guys y'all need to be more wise to the ways of the world, I'm not claiming SA is innocent, but be careful about wanting to go to War or stir stuff up, the embassy was bugged - no video only audio, it could have been a setup to start a war or economic sanctions(acts of economic war). There are unimaginable snakes in the world who would set something up like this. It's definitely a possibility and Trump is wise to not jump to obvious conclusions. SA would have nothing to gain from torturing someone in a bugged embassy, have a man walk in and not walk out - that's just too obvious, seems like if that was their goal it would have been done in stealth manner. Very well could have been a set up to frame SA( very well by other Saudis - there are factions within factions especially in that country). No knee jerk conclusions should be taken and Trump is perhaps more wise than y'all give him credit.
 
Guys y'all need to be more wise to the ways of the world, I'm not claiming SA is innocent, but be careful about wanting to go to War or stir stuff up, the embassy was bugged - no video only audio, it could have been a setup to start a war or economic sanctions(acts of economic war). There are unimaginable snakes in the world who would set something up like this. It's definitely a possibility and Trump is wise to not jump to obvious conclusions. SA would have nothing to gain from torturing someone in a bugged embassy, have a man walk in and not walk out - that's just too obvious, seems like if that was their goal it would have been done in stealth manner. Very well could have been a set up to frame SA( very well by other Saudis - there are factions within factions especially in that country). No knee jerk conclusions should be taken and Trump is perhaps more wise than y'all give him credit.
I sure as hell don't want to go to war.

The lesson learned for me yesterday is to bite my tongue when I'm not sure.
 
Guys y'all need to be more wise to the ways of the world, I'm not claiming SA is innocent, but be careful about wanting to go to War or stir stuff up, the embassy was bugged - no video only audio, it could have been a setup to start a war or economic sanctions(acts of economic war). There are unimaginable snakes in the world who would set something up like this. It's definitely a possibility and Trump is wise to not jump to obvious conclusions. SA would have nothing to gain from torturing someone in a bugged embassy, have a man walk in and not walk out - that's just too obvious, seems like if that was their goal it would have been done in stealth manner. Very well could have been a set up to frame SA( very well by other Saudis - there are factions within factions especially in that country). No knee jerk conclusions should be taken and Trump is perhaps more wise than y'all give him credit.

There is landing pad between where we're at, and sanctions, or even war. There's nothing wrong with coming out publicly, and being like "Yo dawg. Nothing happened here, right? Cuz if it did..."

I'm not seeing donnie being as 'gentle' if this happened in Syria or Iran.
 
Strong correlations between sanctions & War in world history. Sanctions can cause many innocent millions of people to not get medicine, food, infrastructure, they are no bueno. 99.999% of people who suffer the consequences of sanctions/war are innocent. That's why I view the two party system as one party. They both pro war despite their marketing roles.
 
Strong correlations between sanctions & War in world history. Sanctions can cause many innocent millions of people to not get medicine, food, infrastructure, they are no bueno. 99.999% of people who suffer the consequences of sanctions/war are innocent. That's why I view the two party system as one party. They both pro war despite their marketing roles.

Thanks for that.

There still seems to be a political plane of existence that allows for us to remind King Salman that we live in a civilized world, and human butchery doesn't have a place in the civilized world.
 
And how do you assume we inform King Salman we live in a civilized world?
 
And how do you assume we inform King Salman we live in a civilized world?

We could start by not selling him weaponry until he improves on human rights.

We don’t need to cower to Saudi Arabia. My god people. The tail shouldn’t wag the dog here.
 
Trump at least wasn't lying (for a change) when he said about Saudi Arabia that "They’ve been a great ally to me." I'm sure they have.
 
the embassy was bugged - no video only audio,

I heard there was both video and audio. I'm not sure the embassy was bugged, though that would be expected I suppose, but the audio was from Khashoggi's Apple Watch, and uploaded to ICloud. The medical officer suggested the others put on headphones and listen to music while he dismembered Khashoggi. The guy was murdered within 10 minutes of entering the embassy. All this will come out, in fact Turkey has been letting this info out in some detail, even as Trump supports the Crown Prince. Trump is not being wise. Trump is concerned with the continued Saudi purchase of weapons for use in their war in Yemen, and the money that goes to American weapons manufacturers.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...-diplomat-reports_us_5bc736d8e4b0d38b5873dc98

Sanctions can cause many innocent millions of people to not get medicine, food, infrastructure, they are no bueno.

And so does the blockade of ports, such as the Saudi blockade of Yemen's principle port, leading to the mother of all cholera outbreaks and the starvation of a civilian population. The United States is fully complicit in this horrific war. We are helping to wage war against the civilian population of one of the poorest nations on Earth.

As far as fear of a greater war, it won't be the United States vs. Saudi Arabia. If there is to be another greater war in the Middle East, it will be the United States, Israel, and Saudi Arabia vs. Iran and their surrogates in the region:

http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/176422/tomgram:_michael_klare,_the_road_to_hell_in_the_middle_east/
 
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Apparently, an audio can reveal quite a bit. In this case, Khashoggi was dismembered while he was still alive. And some of the hit squad had close ties to the Crown Prince. "Rogue Killers" my ***. Donald Trump. Confidant of authoritarian rulers everywhere.

https://nypost.com/2018/10/17/audio-reveals-details-of-jamal-khashoggis-torture-decapitation-report/

"Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi was tortured and decapitated inside Riyadh’s consulate in Istanbul, a Turkish newspaper reported Wednesday, saying it had heard audio recordings of the brutal slaying.

Khashoggi, a Washington Post columnist who vanished after visiting the consulate on Oct. 2 to pick up paperwork ahead of his wedding, had his fingers chopped off before he was beheaded, according to the pro-government Yeni Safak.

Saudi Consul Mohammed al-Otaibi can be heard on one tape saying during Khashoggi’s torture: “Do this outside. You are going to get me in trouble,” according to the paper, which did not reveal how it obtained the tapes.

In another tape, an unknown person tells Otaibi: “If you want to live when you come to Saudi Arabia, be quiet!”

Otaibi returned to Riyadh on Tuesday ahead of a planned search of his residence as part of the official Turkish probe into Khashoggi’s disappearance.


The Middle East Eye English-language website quoted a Turkish source saying that there was “no attempt to interrogate” Khashoggi, but that a Saudi hit team had “come to kill him,” AFP reported.

The source told the site that his death took seven minutes, with forensic physician Dr. Salah Muhammed Al-Tubaigy listening to music as he began to cut Khashoggi’s body
while he was still alive.
 
Isn’t it amazing how illiberal leaders around the world are taking courage to commit horrible acts today with trump around than in years past? The lack of American leadership in the world is leading to dozens of countries sliding into authoritarianism and countless millions are going to suffer.

Scary times
 
Democrats would rig the judicial branch and use it as a club to destroy the constitution. Paranoid hyperbole

I realize everything you hear about activist judges comes from the right these days, but this has a long history of debate and something both sides haven't liked. Have you heard of Locknerizing the court? Obama's opinion on legislating from the bench having a history of protecting the strong at the expense of the weak?

It's not hyperbole and paranoia, it's interpretation.
 
God, what a joke this is. The administration's response, that is. A smiling Pompeo, buddy-buddy. Arms sales so important to our economy. Arms used to slaughter innocents in Yemen, while we refuel their jets. Unlike Syria, Iran has no generals in Yemen, but no matter. Inside your embassy, you torture and dismember a critic. Not an avowed dissident even. A journalistic critic. And you get the public backing of the American administration.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amph...10/17/trump-is-totally-gullible-or-something/

"Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, who used to criticize Democratic secretaries of state for their willingness to be bamboozled by foreign leaders, appeared in Riyadh with a wide grin plastered on his face. Pumping the crown prince’s hand as though he was an old pal, Pompeo seemed to be there to deliver an escape route for the Saudis, not to hold them accountable for Khashoggi’s disappearance. (” ‘We are strong and old allies,’ Mohammed told Pompeo before reporters were ushered out. ‘We face our challenges together — the past, the day of, tomorrow.’ Pompeo replied with enthusiasm: ‘Absolutely.’ “) That stomach-turning display of camaraderie with the de facto leader of the thuggish regime is how we got to this spot in the first place — excessive trust, insufficient accountability. We look foolish and feeble, making excuses for a corrupt and violent regime that feels it can act with impunity.


The administration’s backing of a Saudi investigation into Khashoggi’s disappearance from the Saudi Consulate is akin to cheering O.J. Simpson as he looks for the “real killers” of his ex-wife. Instead of buying into the Saudis’ ****-and-bull story that this was an interrogation and rendition operation that was not intended to murder Khashoggi, Trump should be demanding an independent investigation."

The Saudi story makes little sense. For starters, since when is it acceptable to kidnap an individual using one’s diplomatic compound as shelter? Beyond that, no one other than Trump could believe that a 15-person delegation with a bone-saw-carrying forensic specialist could jet in and out of Turkey and utilize the Saudi diplomatic offices without permission of high-level officials. Moreover, how does an interrogation get botched to such a degree — if this is the so-called defense — that someone dies? Surely, the Saudi team wouldn’t risk hacking up a journalist and bringing his remains back to a kingdom ruled with an iron hand unless they were awfully certain that the regime had their backs. Nevertheless, Trump wants to look for suspects!"
 
“Trump wears his moral bankruptcy on his sleeve.”

And republican “values voters” continue to worship him. 80+ percent approval rating. Smh

http://www.cc.com/video-clips/2o43u...-his-science-instincts---defends-saudi-arabia

While a good leader can make lemonade from lemons, admittedly, donnie didn't have the luxury of starting with lemons. Instead, Saudi Arabia has delivered no less than three camels. donnie's managed to produce a non-alcoholic swish like substance, by rinsing the sand crusted buttholes of said camels with Topatio, and telling his constituency that it's grape kool-aid.
 
I realize everything you hear about activist judges comes from the right these days, but this has a long history of debate and something both sides haven't liked. Have you heard of Locknerizing the court? Obama's opinion on legislating from the bench having a history of protecting the strong at the expense of the weak?

It's not hyperbole and paranoia, it's interpretation.
Its prediction and assumption in a paranoid and hyperbolic manner by someone who is obviously (and unashamedly) an extreme right wing homer.
 
While a good leader can make lemonade from lemons, admittedly, donnie didn't have the luxury of starting with lemons. Instead, Saudi Arabia has delivered no less than three camels. donnie's managed to produce a non-alcoholic swish like substance, by rinsing the sand crusted buttholes of said camels with Topatio, and telling his constituency that it's grape kool-aid.

And his followers continue to lap it up.
 
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