Donald is about to go through some things...

[fishonjazz]

What is clownish about Biden? His stuttering? His age?

Yes and yes.

 

[fishonjazz]

There already are age limits, they’re called primaries and general elections. Unfortunately, Americans are too busy watching boobs, sportsball, and hate speech on Facebook and Fox News to care about these things. Truth be told, I have no problem putting age limits on these things because Americans are too lazy to vote for better candidates. But ultimately no age limit is going to compensate for an electorate that mindlessly gets the majority of its information from a social network set up by a horny college student who wanted to rank coeds and a far right propaganda apparatus that is only comparable to the garbage seen in North Korea and Russia.

Nah, primaries full of old folks too. Dont let senior citizens who should be retired or working as walmart greeters run for president. Just makes too much sense.

 

[Gameface]

Nah, primaries full of old folks too. Dont let senior citizens who should be retired or working as walmart greeters run for president. Just makes too much sense.

Part of the problem in the Democratic party has been that there appears to be a seniority system where a politician does their time and then says "it's my turn to be the Presidential candidate." Like when Hillary got the nomination. She ran against Obama in the Primaries and nothing the Democrat establishment could do could stop him from jumping the line, so in 2016 it was clear that the DNC was going to ram-rod Hillary through as the nominee and she was literally the only person in the world who could have lost that election to Trump. Then in 2020 there was an interesting field of candidates, none of them particularly electrifying but there were some people with actual ideas and passion in the field. But no, the DNC had decided Biden was the safe bet and he had done his time so it was his turn. The 2020 election was way closer than it should have been. Give people a younger person with energy and big ideas and it's a landslide. But now I get to watch Biden fall over on his bike.

I'm sorry but the only chance Democrats have in 2024 is if Biden decides not to run or he dies. I'm not wishing for his death but I'm also not wanting my choice in 2024 to be Trump or Biden. Best case is Biden and Trump both die a peaceful death in their sleep due to old age and DeSantis gets exposed as a podophile and secret abortion doctor. I only add the abortion doctor thing because I needed something that would actually keep Republicans from voting for him.

 

[fishonjazz]

Part of the problem in the Democratic party has been that there appears to be a seniority system where a politician does their time and then says "it's my turn to be the Presidential candidate." Like when Hillary got the nomination. She ran against Obama in the Primaries and nothing the Democrat establishment could do could stop him from jumping the line, so in 2016 it was clear that the DNC was going to ram-rod Hillary through as the nominee and she was literally the only person in the world who could have lost that election to Trump. Then in 2020 there was an interesting field of candidates, none of them particularly electrifying but there were some people with actual ideas and passion in the field. But no, the DNC had decided Biden was the safe bet and he had done his time so it was his turn. The 2020 election was way closer than it should have been. Give people a younger person with energy and big ideas and it's a landslide. But now I get to watch Biden fall over on his bike.

I'm sorry but the only chance Democrats have in 2024 is if Biden decides not to run or he dies. I'm not wishing for his death but I'm also not wanting my choice in 2024 to be Trump or Biden. Best case is Biden and Trump both die a peaceful death in their sleep due to old age and DeSantis gets exposed as a podophile and secret abortion doctor. I only add the abortion doctor thing because I needed something that would actually keep Republicans from voting for him.

Good post

 

[LogGrad98]

Part of the problem in the Democratic party has been that there appears to be a seniority system where a politician does their time and then says "it's my turn to be the Presidential candidate." Like when Hillary got the nomination. She ran against Obama in the Primaries and nothing the Democrat establishment could do could stop him from jumping the line, so in 2016 it was clear that the DNC was going to ram-rod Hillary through as the nominee and she was literally the only person in the world who could have lost that election to Trump. Then in 2020 there was an interesting field of candidates, none of them particularly electrifying but there were some people with actual ideas and passion in the field. But no, the DNC had decided Biden was the safe bet and he had done his time so it was his turn. The 2020 election was way closer than it should have been. Give people a younger person with energy and big ideas and it's a landslide. But now I get to watch Biden fall over on his bike.

I'm sorry but the only chance Democrats have in 2024 is if Biden decides not to run or he dies. I'm not wishing for his death but I'm also not wanting my choice in 2024 to be Trump or Biden. Best case is Biden and Trump both die a peaceful death in their sleep due to old age and DeSantis gets exposed as a podophile and secret abortion doctor. I only add the abortion doctor thing because I needed something that would actually keep Republicans from voting for him.

This is largely because all the political parties care about is who they think they can get elected, they don't give a flying **** about what's best for the country or even their constituencies. They care about this next election and that's it. Maybe look forward enough to the next mid -terms but that's about it. The only ideas that matter are the ideas that rile up the electorate enough to get the votes to win. Even Obama, although I agree he did jump the line of seniority, but the main reason he was pushed through was they saw him as more electable than Hilary. In the end, as sad as it may be, Hilary was probably their best bet against Trump. The other candidates were better from a let's do stuff in the presidency standpoint, but they had zero chance of mobilizing their electorate to get the votes. As it was the Hilary loss was both very close and a surprise to many pundits for this very reason.

So in this next election cycle you bet your bottom dollar that both sides will try to push whatever candidate has a chance at getting elected. They don't give a **** if the guy is really qanon incarnate as long as they can garner the vote. We have long ago left the world of public service behind. It's now fully service to the party and nothing else. It's a travesty we have allowed it to devolve this much.

 

[Red]

This struck me as a great way to start off my weekend on as depressing a note as I could imagine. God help us, this is going to be a nightmare….

House GOP plots investigative revenge on January 6 panel

House Republicans are plotting revenge on the select committee investigating the January 6, 2021, insurrection, as the GOP weighs a broader effort to re-litigate some of Donald Trump's biggest election grievances if it recaptures the House majority.

www.cnn.com

 

[Red]

In response to Trump, senators agree to clarify vice president's role in electoral certification | CNN Politics

Senators from both parties have reached an agreement to clarify that the vice president only has a ceremonial role in overseeing the certification of the electoral results, according to two Senate sources, the first legislative response to former President Donald Trump's pressure campaign to...

www.cnn.com

 

[LogGrad98]

In response to Trump, senators agree to clarify vice president's role in electoral certification | CNN Politics

Senators from both parties have reached an agreement to clarify that the vice president only has a ceremonial role in overseeing the certification of the electoral results, according to two Senate sources, the first legislative response to former President Donald Trump's pressure campaign to...

www.cnn.com

This could literally be earth-shattering depending on what they try to do. If they somehow imbue the VP with the power to essentially override the EC then that could bode very very badly for the future of our country. Not long before a tyranny would install itself. Sounds like the moves Putin made in Russia to take total control for decades.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

This could literally be earth-shattering depending on what they try to do. If they somehow imbue the VP with the power to essentially override the EC then that could bode very very badly for the future of our country. Not long before a tyranny would install itself. Sounds like the moves Putin made in Russia to take total control for decades.

I know this is going to be really hard for you to believe, but you've got the sides reversed in this. The Republicans are trying to reinforce the Electoral College by making it harder to decertifiy votes, and codifying to make it clear the VP plays no role in the vote at all while the Democrats are opposing the de-powering of the role of the VP.

Like I said, I know you won't believe me because it sounds backwards but read it. Don't assume you know the sides. The Democrats are opposing this piece of legislation that permanently closes squishy areas in the Electoral Count Act because Democrats want to pass one of their more expansive reforms and know if this one passes then their bills are effectively dead. As crazy as it sounds, the Republicans are fighting to close loopholes Trump wanted to exploit while Democrats are fighting to keep those loopholes open.

 

[LogGrad98]

I know this is going to be really hard for you to believe, but you've got the sides reversed in this. The Republicans are trying to reinforce the Electoral College by making it harder to decertifiy votes, and codifying to make it clear the VP plays no role in the vote at all while the Democrats are opposing the de-powering of the role of the VP.

Like I said, I know you won't believe me because it sounds backwards but read it. Don't assume you know the sides. The Democrats are opposing this piece of legislation that permanently closes squishy areas in the Electoral Count Act because Democrats want to pass one of their more expansive reforms and know if this one passes then their bills are effectively dead. As crazy as it sounds, the Republicans are fighting to close loopholes Trump wanted to exploit while Democrats are fighting to keep those loopholes open.

I will believe what I see happen. I have no dogmatic approach to this. What I said originally did not invoke either side, if you try to see that, but you tend to see what you want to see. You wanted to see a partisan comment where there was none. And my comment was without doubt true. Here it is again. Please point out where I say republicans are the devil and all democrats are gods worthy of constant blow jobs?

This could literally be earth-shattering depending on what they try to do. If they somehow imbue the VP with the power to essentially override the EC then that could bode very very badly for the future of our country. Not long before a tyranny would install itself. Sounds like the moves Putin made in Russia to take total control for decades.

This may be hard to believe for you, since your ability to think about these things is hopelessly clouded by your own partisanship, but not everyone that disagrees with you about any given topic is fully invested or indoctrinated in "the other side", whatever you deem that to be. But you like labels and it helps keep your world safely segmented, so you do you.


And if they want to remove all gray area entirely they should just have the speaker of the house declare who the president is and eliminate the "symbolic" involvement from anyone in the presidency. The house certifies the vote anyway, let them declare the winner and be done with it.

 

[One Brow]

This could literally be earth-shattering depending on what they try to do. If they somehow imbue the VP with the power to essentially override the EC then that could bode very very badly for the future of our country. Not long before a tyranny would install itself. Sounds like the moves Putin made in Russia to take total control for decades.

The agreement is to do the opposite, and make the Jan. 6 count purely ceremonial.

I know this is going to be really hard for you to believe, but you've got the sides reversed in this.

Do you know what "bipartisan" means? Are you completely incapable of understanding that Republicrat has every interest in avoiding coup that Trump tried to perform, and it's two wings have an interest to work together to prevent it?

The Democrats are opposing this piece of legislation

Name one, with a quote from a reliable source.

Conservatives, on the other hand:

Conservatives Oppose Opening Up the Electoral Count Act to Democratic Election Takeover Legislation

February 11, 2022 Washington, DC Conservatives oppose current efforts in Congress to reform the Electoral Count Act. With Democrats in charge, such efforts are merely cover for liberals to have more opportunities to pass their…

conservativeactionproject.com

 

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This could literally be earth-shattering depending on what they try to do. If they somehow imbue the VP with the power to essentially override the EC then that could bode very very badly for the future of our country. Not long before a tyranny would install itself. Sounds like the moves Putin made in Russia to take total control for decades.

I hope this bipartisan bill passes. I think there’s a lot of good stuff here and I wish honestly that legislation like this had been passed at the start of 2021. The VP’s role hopefully will be better defined to avoid another Jan 6 like attempt. I also hope they raise the threshold for who can object to certifying the electors. The threshold needs to be higher than just one rep and one sen. You’ll always have one crazy from each chamber object just to create chaos. @LogGrad98 i found this to be helpful

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/07/18/trump-2024-coup-electoral-count-act-reform/

• Presidential electors must be appointed by the manner the state’s laws dictated before Election Day. This would prevent a state legislature and governor from appointing sham electors after the voting.
• If a state appoints a slate of electors before a deadline — the sixth day before the presidential electors meet — it overrides any electors appointed after that deadline. This would also avert post-vote shenanigans.
• The governor of each state must certify the electors before that deadline. If a governor violates this duty, the aggrieved candidate can appeal to a three-judge panel of two circuit court judges and one district court judge.
• The slate of electors deemed the legitimate one by the federal courts is conclusive.
• Congress must count the slate of electors deemed the legitimate one by this revised process for states. This means if the federal courts deem one set of electors operative, Congress must count them, and must notcount other electors, even ones certified by a state legislature or governor.
• If an election is disrupted by a disastrous event, the state legislature cannot simply appoint electors. It can only extend the voting period. This averts another scenario — a legislature finds a pretext to declare the voters failed to reach a decision, and appoints electors itself — which the current ECA might allow.

I think there is genuine fear about what states do regarding their electors. I hope legislation is passed to shore these loopholes up. What happens if Biden/Harris win GA and Trump complains? Will GA still have the power to send different electors that defy the popular vote of their state and claim that Trump won? What then?

This loophole needs to be closed to prevent further democratic backsliding.