Favre

[Boondocksaint27]

QBs, off the top of my head, I would take over Favre:

Elway
Marino
Montana
Fouts
Bradshaw
Manning, P.
Staubach
Young

I would say that for some, recent memory is clouding their judgement of the man overall. Don't get me wrong, I HATED him when he was with the Packers, however, Marino and Fouts never won the big one; and for Elway he had to rely on Terrell Davis. Favre is a back to back MVP winner and the stats speak for themselves:

1994 - 3,882 YDS, 33 TD's, 14 Int's, Pct. 62.4, Rate 90
1995 - 4,413 YDS, 38 TD's, 13 Int's, Pct. 63, Rate 99.5
1996 - 3,889 YDS, 39 TD's, 14 Int's, Pct. 59.9, Rate 95.8
1997 - 3,867 YDS, 35 TD's, 16 Int's, Pct. 59.3, Rate 92.6
1998 - 4,212 YDS, 31 TD's, 23 Int's, Pct. 64, Rate 87.8
1999 - 4,091 YDS, 22 TD's, 23 Int's, Pct. 57.3, Rate 74.7
2000 - 3,812 YDS, 20 TD's, 16 Int's, Pct. 58.3, Rate 78
2001 - 3,921 YDS, 32 TD's, 15 Int's, Pct. 61.6, Rate 94
2002 - 3,658 YDS, 27 TD's, 16 Int's, Pct. 61.9, Rate 89
2003 - 3,361 YDS, 32 TD's, 21 Int's, Pct. 65, Rate 90
2004 - 4,088 YDS, 30 TD's, 17 Int's, Pct. 64, Rate 92
2005 - 3,881 YDS, 20 TD's, 29 Int's, Pct. 61.3, Rate 70.9
2006 - 3,885 YDS, 18 TD's, 18 Int's, Pct. 56, Rate 72
2007 - 4,155 YDS, 28 TD's, 15 Int's, Pct. 66.5, Rate 95
2008 - 3,472 YDS, 22 TD's, 22 Int's, Pct. 65.7, Rate 81
2009 - 4,202 YDS, 33 TD's, 7 Int's, Pct. 68.4, Rate 107

Saw Gregbroncs mention Kelly, who never won the big one, and Namath who his memorable for his boast and being the first QB to throw for 4000 yards, but his career numbers are pretty mediocre.

Namath Career(wont give you a laundry list like I did with Favre):

173 TD's, 220 Int's, 50.1 Comp Pct., Rate 65.5
His best season was 1967 where he threw for 4007 yards, 26 TD's, 28 Int's, and had a completion percentage of 52.5, QB Rate of 73.8

 

[Boondocksaint27]

haha. I was going to add three of these QBs to the list. IMO, Brady is a lock. The dude's a winner, look at his stats next to the all-time greats.

you also have to consider Aikmen

Aikman was a terrific QB as well, but he had more help with that all-world O-Line, Emmitt, and Irvin.

 

[Nate505]

The most impressive record the NFL will ever see will come to an end next week.

Don't worry, Manning will break it.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

How the **** is Joe Namath better than Favre?

He's not. Namath is the most overrated QB of all-time.

 

[bigb]

Most over rated QB in the NFL is the QB for my favorite team. Jay Cutler you piece of **** I hope you drown in your snot, you squirrel humping douche.

LOL I am glad that the little whinny bitch is no longer the QB of my team.

And to think, I was pissed when the Jets drafted Ferguson instead of Cutler. I REALLY wanted the Jets to take him. Man, am I glad they didn't.
The amazing thing is, my Jets have three of the first round picks of that draft on their current team: 2 have been to Pro Bowls and the other has been a Super Bowl MVP.

 

[gregbroncs]

I would say that for some, recent memory is clouding their judgement of the man overall. Don't get me wrong, I HATED him when he was with the Packers, however, Marino and Fouts never won the big one; and for Elway he had to rely on Terrell Davis. Favre is a back to back MVP winner and the stats speak for themselves:

1994 - 3,882 YDS, 33 TD's, 14 Int's, Pct. 62.4, Rate 90
1995 - 4,413 YDS, 38 TD's, 13 Int's, Pct. 63, Rate 99.5
1996 - 3,889 YDS, 39 TD's, 14 Int's, Pct. 59.9, Rate 95.8
1997 - 3,867 YDS, 35 TD's, 16 Int's, Pct. 59.3, Rate 92.6
1998 - 4,212 YDS, 31 TD's, 23 Int's, Pct. 64, Rate 87.8
1999 - 4,091 YDS, 22 TD's, 23 Int's, Pct. 57.3, Rate 74.7
2000 - 3,812 YDS, 20 TD's, 16 Int's, Pct. 58.3, Rate 78
2001 - 3,921 YDS, 32 TD's, 15 Int's, Pct. 61.6, Rate 94
2002 - 3,658 YDS, 27 TD's, 16 Int's, Pct. 61.9, Rate 89
2003 - 3,361 YDS, 32 TD's, 21 Int's, Pct. 65, Rate 90
2004 - 4,088 YDS, 30 TD's, 17 Int's, Pct. 64, Rate 92
2005 - 3,881 YDS, 20 TD's, 29 Int's, Pct. 61.3, Rate 70.9
2006 - 3,885 YDS, 18 TD's, 18 Int's, Pct. 56, Rate 72
2007 - 4,155 YDS, 28 TD's, 15 Int's, Pct. 66.5, Rate 95
2008 - 3,472 YDS, 22 TD's, 22 Int's, Pct. 65.7, Rate 81
2009 - 4,202 YDS, 33 TD's, 7 Int's, Pct. 68.4, Rate 107

Saw Gregbroncs mention Kelly, who never won the big one, and Namath who his memorable for his boast and being the first QB to throw for 4000 yards, but his career numbers are pretty mediocre.

Namath Career(wont give you a laundry list like I did with Favre):

173 TD's, 220 Int's, 50.1 Comp Pct., Rate 65.5
His best season was 1967 where he threw for 4007 yards, 26 TD's, 28 Int's, and had a completion percentage of 52.5, QB Rate of 73.8

Farve always took too many chances and threw too many INT's and Fumbles. Elway did not ride Terrell to the 1st 3 SB's where they were overmatched and probably did not belong in the SB except that Elway carried them there.

Don't have to win the big one to necessarily be great. For Farve's SB win they were the best team. The year they lost to the Broncos they were the best team but Farve cost them that game. Fouts and Marino never played on the best team overall. Football is a team sport more than any other so I have a hard time holding not getting to SB's against one player. My problem with Farve is that he has cost his team wins in big situations more often than most if not all of the QB's on mine or Bronco's lists. Last year's lost is a perfect example of a QB costing his team a chance in a big situation, the problem with Farve is he is willing to just throw the ball up for grabs and hope his guy can make a play. It's worked for him a lot but leading the league in TO's ever has got to count seriously against him. I would almost bet he leads our lists or is right up in the top in TO's per year.

 

[gregbroncs]

Oh also I am not just looking at the recent Brett Favre I have said he is the most overrated QB in football for 8 years+ now.

 

[Bronco70]

Marino and Fouts never won the big one

So Jeff Hostetler > Dan Marino?

and for Elway he had to rely on Terrell Davis.

Yeah, I totally forgot that Favre did it all by himself. My bad.

 

[Bronco70]

I hope you drown in your snot, you squirrel humping douche.

Trout?

 

[Chad Feldheimer]

Oh also I am not just looking at the recent Brett Favre I have said he is the most overrated QB in football for 8 years+ now.

He has stunk this year, but last year you have to admit 33TD-7 for a 40ish guy is pretty impressive. He had a serious argument for MVP.

 

[bigb]

He has stunk this year, but last year you have to admit 33TD-7 for a 40ish guy is pretty impressive. He had a serious argument for MVP.

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while. 2 out of the last three years he's sucked ***.

 

[KM32MVP]

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while. 2 out of the last three years he's sucked ***.

33 TDs and 7 picks is a little more then a squirrel finding a nut.

 

[bigb]

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while. 2 out of the last three years he's sucked ***.

33 TDs and 7 picks is a little more then a squirrel finding a nut.

What part of "2 out of the last three years" did you find hard to understand? In 2008 he had the same number of INT's as TD's with a QB rating of 81. That's nothing to write home about.

 

[Boondocksaint27]

So Jeff Hostetler > Dan Marino?



Yeah, I totally forgot that Favre did it all by himself. My bad.

I agree with you and Gregbroncs that Favre's gunslinger mentality often hurts the team he is playing for...believe me as a Vikings fan I lived it first hand last year. However, when the arguments for greatest QB of all time come up Favre deserves to be in the conversation. His pre-season antics notwithstanding he still has passed for over 70,000 yards with over 500 TD's...and yes, when arguing the greatest QB's of all time, winning the big one is not the entire argument but deserves consideration for a good portion of the argument, IMO. The knock on Fouts and Marino will always be that they are knocking at the door, but could not get in due to their inability to win a Superbowl. I can see more merit in the argument that Elway was the better of the two.

 

[Bronco70]

I agree with you and Gregbroncs that Favre's gunslinger mentality often hurts the team he is playing for...believe me as a Vikings fan I lived it first hand last year. However, when the arguments for greatest QB of all time come up Favre deserves to be in the conversation. His pre-season antics notwithstanding he still has passed for over 70,000 yards with over 500 TD's...and yes, when arguing the greatest QB's of all time, winning the big one is not the entire argument but deserves consideration for a good portion of the argument, IMO. The knock on Fouts and Marino will always be that they are knocking at the door, but could not get in due to their inability to win a Superbowl. I can see more merit in the argument that Elway was the better of the two.

I get this, and Favre is (was) definitely a great QB - top 20 for sure - but I personally would still take Marino over Favre 99 out of 100 times (and I HATE the dolphins). just by way of comparison, after 47 years in the NFL, Favre has exactly the same number of rings as Phil Simms, Mark Rypien, Brad Johnson, Jeff Hostetler, and Kurt Warner. Just sayin'.

Oh, and to Clutch, who apparently didn't agree with me putting Bradshaw on my list, you know he won 4 superbowls, right?

 

[Boondocksaint27]

At the end of the day it just comes back to personal opinion. As a Vikings fan I can't let this conversation go on without saying that Fran Tarkenton deserves to be mentioned as one of the greatest QB's of all time as well. Retired with every passing record in the book until Marino came along and broke them, but also played on Vikings teams where he was the only gamer and lead them to the Superbowl. Tarkenton once played in a playoff game against the Raiders where the end came around the corner un-blocked and popped Tarkenton under the jaw fracturing his jaw and knocking out four of his teeth. He not only came back and finished the game with the win, but only after the game did he go in and have four hours of surgery to repair the damage. You just don't see toughness like that anymore.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

I get this, and Favre is (was) definitely a great QB - top 20 for sure - but I personally would still take Marino over Favre 99 out of 100 times (and I HATE the dolphins). just by way of comparison, after 47 years in the NFL, Favre has exactly the same number of rings as Phil Simms, Mark Rypien, Brad Johnson, Jeff Hostetler, and Kurt Warner. Just sayin'.

Oh, and to Clutch, who apparently didn't agree with me putting Bradshaw on my list, you know he won 4 superbowls, right?

LOL, as a former 15+ year Dolphin fan, I can without hesitation say that I would take Favre 100 times out of 100 over Marino. The latter was a whiny biatch. And I hate Favre so that's saying something.

 

[//r00t 4 Jazz]

LOL, as a former 15+ year Dolphin fan, I can without hesitation say that I would take Favre 100 times out of 100 over Marino. The latter was a whiny biatch. And I hate Favre so that's saying something.

Ya as a Phins fan I'm glad your an ex fan we don't want your type.

I'll admit that his pre-madonna attitude the last several season hasn't helped for me to think he is overrated but I do acknowledge he is around the top 10 all time and I liked Bronco's list.
Archie you said his longevity contributes to his negative stats but that same longevity is how he even managed to get his positive stats as well so cant have one without the other. That longevity is something great (Stock is another good example) that you have to add that to the consideration when talking all time greats because everybody is great at that point. But his negatives (INT's, FMBL) also hurt him greatly. His one SB you can almost give as much credit to White as you could Favre IMO.

I will stop here before my anti Favre rant kicks in

 

[One Brow]

I'll admit that his pre-madonna attitude ...

Not even Favre has been aroung long enough to have different attitude pre-Madonna and post-Madonna.

As I am the man of the million typos, I hope I didn't offend you with this.

 

[//r00t 4 Jazz]

Not at all it set you up nicely for a Favre is old joke but really I posted that as I was rushing to leave work so didn't check anything and just sent the post.

So what are the odds that he plays tomorrow, not that I care I look at the game as a win win. If he doesn't play I'm happy if he does play and plays like crap I'm happy and no matter what if Minni somehow beats the Pats I'm really happy as a Phins fan.