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I've ripped James Young in the past, and while I'd rather not see him take 18 shots, he did get 10 rebs and got himself to the FT line tonight. And hell, if the Harrison's aren't going to shoot it to save their necks, he might as well keep shooting while MSU clogs the paint.

Also, I still think Poythress has a chance to be a good player. He looked like one of the best players in his class in the McD's game and things just haven't worked out so far at UK. It was refreshing to see him play well tonight.

Meanwhile, Marcus Smart... :eek:

Young also got 5asts and played good d.
Poythress has the tools, but he'll do nothing... too mentally weak.
 
I think it's crazy that some here are so against smart. I think kkk hates him most, but he is beast and has the "it"PKM speaks of. I'd happily walk away from the draft with him and get amped up for the best young back court in the league.
 
I think it's crazy that some here are so against smart. I think kkk hates him most, but he is beast and has the "it"PKM speaks of. I'd happily walk away from the draft with him and get amped up for the best young back court in the league.

I can recall a couple of players PKM said had the "it" factor:


Shabazz Muhamad and Austin Rivers.
 
In regards to Young's and others rebounding numbers, I think it's only fair to point out that MSU is one of the worst, if not the worst rebounding teams in the nation.

Kentucky still has a lot of kids that are great talents, and they will prove (or already have proven) that in other games, I just think it's important to know it all, yo.
 
I think it's crazy that some here are so against smart. I think kkk hates him most, but he is beast and has the "it"PKM speaks of. I'd happily walk away from the draft with him and get amped up for the best young back court in the league.

I'll take some of the blame. Don't really care for Smart's ubiquitous flopping. And for someone who says all the right things and is perceived as a leader, he spends a lot of time acting like a bitch on the basketball court. Of course, I'm a fan of a rival team so...
 
I'll take some of the blame. Don't really care for Smart's ubiquitous flopping. And for someone who says all the right things and is perceived as a leader, he spends a lot of time acting like a bitch on the basketball court. Of course, I'm a fan of a rival team so...

Ha ha point taken, but you got love his leadership and moxy. He wins games.
 
In regards to Young's and others rebounding numbers, I think it's only fair to point out that MSU is one of the worst, if not the worst rebounding teams in the nation.

Kentucky still has a lot of kids that are great talents, and they will prove (or already have proven) that in other games, I just think it's important to know it all, yo.

Young is a rebounder. He had 10 last game against Louisville as well. Nice to have a wing with back-to-back 10rb games, that hits the 3, and plays d.

Having said that, I am not overly impressed with any UK player, tbh. Randle I love.. but he has some things that concern me.
Young I love, but he's not screaming star.
Harrison's are just average.
Johnson is too slow.
Lee to raw.
Poythress too passive.
WCS a bit too raw.

I like ALL those guys, but I'm less impressed than I thought I would be, with every one of them. (and I hate saying that because Randle, in particular, is a freakin brute and plays all out)

Having said all that, it's got the potential to be an unbelievable cbb team by year's end.
 
At the start of the season I did not see it in young, but he looks like he has put it together. He goes really hard. Surprised at his shooting percentages doe. Suppose to be a strength.
 
I hate how Young's stroke reminds me of CJ Miles. Not sure I'll ever be able to get that out of my head. Kinda unfair for the kid tbh
 
Young is a rebounder. He had 10 last game against Louisville as well. Nice to have a wing with back-to-back 10rb games, that hits the 3, and plays d.

Having said that, I am not overly impressed with any UK player, tbh. Randle I love.. but he has some things that concern me.
Young I love, but he's not screaming star.
Harrison's are just average.
Johnson is too slow.
Lee to raw.
Poythress too passive.
WCS a bit too raw.

I like ALL those guys, but I'm less impressed than I thought I would be, with every one of them. (and I hate saying that because Randle, in particular, is a freakin brute and plays all out)

Having said all that, it's got the potential to be an unbelievable cbb team by year's end.

I hated WCS last year - never thought he'd do anything, but I'm starting to come around on him. In nearly the same amount of minutes, he's doubled his blocked shots, is turning it over about half as much and has gone from 6 rebs to 8 rebs a game. Guys who are his size and move as well as he does are so rare. I'd like to see him be a bit more aggressive and more consistent - especially on the glass - but I like him.

Randle, yeah he has some things - turns it over a bit much, hasn't been able to hit the jump shot, probably a bit shorter than we'd all like him to be, can't go right, etc - but the guy is a monster talent, has a motor that won't quit and even if he disappoints in the NBA, he should still get you 10-12 rebs a game.
 
I insist on picking out individual teams and players BECAUSE THEY ARE WHAT MAKE UP DRAFT. Are you dense?

Historical data does not always work in these cases because we're talking about individual cases that make up the whole. This really isn't that difficult. If you haven't even bothered to look at what players are likely to get drafted, then you cannot state an accurate opinion on how the draft will end up.

Do you even understand statistics?

Or do you just assume that kids born in 1995 are more talented at basketball then kids born in any other year?

Why does this draft have more talent than 2007? Because ESPN analysts are freaking out?

There is a 3 out 66 chance this draft is another 84, 96, or 03. 95% chance that this draft in the same as any other. 1 bust, 1 repeating all NBA, 2 people make an all star game/all nba once or twice, 6 solid starters/sixth (like Marvin), 10-15 role players, 20 players that are gone within 3 years, and 15 that never play a minute.
 
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Young is a rebounder. He had 10 last game against Louisville as well. Nice to have a wing with back-to-back 10rb games, that hits the 3, and plays d.

Having said that, I am not overly impressed with any UK player, tbh. Randle I love.. but he has some things that concern me.
Young I love, but he's not screaming star.
Harrison's are just average.
Johnson is too slow.
Lee to raw.
Poythress too passive.
WCS a bit too raw.

I like ALL those guys, but I'm less impressed than I thought I would be, with every one of them. (and I hate saying that because Randle, in particular, is a freakin brute and plays all out)

Having said all that, it's got the potential to be an unbelievable cbb team by year's end.

brutal honesty. I love it
 
Haven't watched Smart play live. Just seen the clips.

Anyone have a good comparison? Rose? T Evans? Westbrook? Ronnie Price?

We need to start looking at the 5-8 range, and focusing on that now period.
 
LOL... so are u telling me your gf find you funny??

Nah but woman like my swagger of being able to scorch people who act like they are out of their mind using their own words against them.

So because in past drafts there would only be one star means that in this draft it's being generous to say there might be 2 stars? Again, I'm not saying that your overall conclusion is wrong, but your way of getting to the conclusion is just horrid. Why are you so scared to just evaluate each player individually? Is it because you know that you can't? I'm starting to assume that it is.



Not really. You can take bits and pieces from them, but they're really not that relevant. Each draft is full of new players, whom don't really have a lot to do with each other. For example, last year in the NFL draft people were saying how you can't take an Alabama RB because they're only successful because of the team they played on in college but limited pro prospects (Ingram and Richardson) and then Eddie Lacy happened. That's why you evaluate each player based on his own merits, not past draft history. I would love for you to explain how they are relevant though. Explain away, please.

Last part reminds me a little bit of MCW and Syracuse's zone. Word was always: Size and length is a huge defensive plus potentially. Then in summer league he'd defend the pick and roll and bump into every screen like little birds hit windows when a bird of prey is around. Worked smart all summer, turned it and he's a boss now.

Uh, yes. Because statistically, over 70 years of drafts, only 1 player is a star in a draft. Why is this draft any different?




Why do you insist on picking out individual teams and players? If you look at each draft class as a whole, the talent levels are very similar. Could this be another 84, 96, or 03? Sure. But 70 years of drafts say it isn't likely. Very rare.

Okay maybe we have a different definition of superstar. But superstar is someone who's got the potential to be a first option on a mediocre to good team or 2nd 1st option on a contender.
2006: Chris Paul, Deron Williams
2008: Derrick Rose, Russell Westbrook, Kevin Love
2009: Blake Griffin, James Harden
2010: John Wall, DeMarcus Cousins, Paul George - I'm not sure about the first two, but they have still potential to get there.
2012: Anthony Davis, Damian Lillard, (Andre Drummond)

simmons is an idiot if he thinks parker can be everyday 4.

I think Parker should try to work on his quickness and play the wing while he's young. When he getts older he can gain weight/muscles and transition to the 4. A player like Parker is right now should be placed on the wing because his defensive impact inside would lower his efficiency.

In regards to Young's and others rebounding numbers, I think it's only fair to point out that MSU is one of the worst, if not the worst rebounding teams in the nation.

Kentucky still has a lot of kids that are great talents, and they will prove (or already have proven) that in other games, I just think it's important to know it all, yo.

That's one thing that bugs me frequently. I mean if I'm a coach and I'm unhappy with my players rebounding. I teach them a lesson about rebounding. You don't box out practice is extended. You don't box out in games, you sit on the bench. So many games are decided over rebounding and the couple extra shots you give up because of it. It's nothing to do with BBIQ: When you see it fly, simply search a body to box out and look where your teammates are so you have the important areas covered.

At the start of the season I did not see it in young, but he looks like he has put it together. He goes really hard. Surprised at his shooting percentages doe. Suppose to be a strength.

The rest of the backcourt has a shooting efficiency like JR Smith. Players probably don't help off him and he should spend a lot of time in the strong corner to help his backcourt mates and Randle get more space in the lanes.
 
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