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I really think Semi Ojeleye is going to be a steal in this draft. Maybe the steal. Just wanted to comment that for the record. Two guys who I'm not fond of and hope we stay away from selecting are Ivan Rabb and Terrence Ferguson.
 
SCS said:
I really think Semi Ojeleye is going to be a steal in this draft. Maybe the steal. Just wanted to comment that for the record. Two guys who I'm not fond of and hope we stay away from selecting are Ivan Rabb and Terrence Ferguson.
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I'd be excited with Ojeleye at 24 or wherever we're picking first. If we had someone who can bring intensity, nastiness and hit from the perimeter those are things we need now and he could be a rotation guy.
 
John Collins lead the nation in PER with a 35.9 rating.

19.2 PPG, 9.8 RPG, 1.6 BPG, 62.2% from the field in 26.6 MPG.

He's only 19 years old too. He turns 20 in late September. He's actually younger than Markkanen and Leaf.

I know he is bad defensively but 2.4 BPG per 40 is pretty encouraging. I think he would be a pretty good fit for the Jazz.

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SCS said:
I really think Semi Ojeleye is going to be a steal in this draft. Maybe the steal. Just wanted to comment that for the record. Two guys who I'm not fond of and hope we stay away from selecting are Ivan Rabb and Terrence Ferguson.
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Semi Ojeleye I have a love hate relationship with. I love his size and his shooting I hate his basketball IQ. The games doesnt come easily to him and he uses his strength for force himself upon the game. He wont be able to do that in the NBA. He was also known as a black hole at times for SMU

I think the way Johnson played this year is exactly what you would want from Semi. I think Johnson could be a great mentor for him. If he will buy into the Jazz system and ball movement he would be a steal.
 
John Collins numbers are insane... Is the NBA completely out on post ups? I think he could also develop a shot. People compare him to Kanter because of bad defense, bad passing, and low bball IQ, but he doesn't have the physical limitations Kanter does.

If that guy was a good passer he'd be pretty filthy.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
John Collins numbers are insane... Is the NBA completely out on post ups? I think he could also develop a shot. People compare him to Kanter because of bad defense, bad passing, and low bball IQ, but he doesn't have the physical limitations Kanter does.

If that guy was a good passer he'd be pretty filthy.
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He has different physical limitations than Kanter. He has a small frame w/ a weak wingspan for a player who is going to rely on stuff around the basket. He has the same lack of awareness on the court and that is really what hamstrings Kanter more than anything.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
John Collins numbers are insane... Is the NBA completely out on post ups? I think he could also develop a shot. People compare him to Kanter because of bad defense, bad passing, and low bball IQ, but he doesn't have the physical limitations Kanter does.

If that guy was a good passer he'd be pretty filthy.
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Seriously, he basically averaged a double-double w/ 1.6 blocks in 26 minutes a game. He's also younger than some of the freshman and only a few months older than most of them.

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Justin Patton is another player who doesn't get mentioned very much.

I would be extremely happy with him at 24.

I think we tend to not talk about players who aren't in our range and it makes sense. The thing is (Cy has been mentioning this) all of these big men aren't all going to go in the top-20. Some of them are going to fall and some won't even go in the first-round. Collins and Patton could both be there at 24 not because they're bad players but because there is so many big-men around the same range.


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White Chocolate said:
Seriously, he basically averaged a double-double w/ 1.6 blocks in 26 minutes a game. He's also younger than some of the freshman and only a few months older than most of them.

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Not to mention the points per game in that double-double was 19.2.

His per 40 numbers are absolutely insane:

28.8 PPG, 14.8 RPG, 2.4 BPG w/ 1 SPG.

He also shot 75% from the free-throw line. His per 40 FTA per game was 10 too. He gets to the line a lot for being a power forward and knocks down the free-throws.

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Saint Cy of JFC said:
He has different physical limitations than Kanter. He has a small frame w/ a weak wingspan for a player who is going to rely on stuff around the basket. He has the same lack of awareness on the court and that is really what hamstrings Kanter more than anything.
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I agree... was speaking more in terms of athletic limitations. I think he has the ability to develop a jump shot. He's a guy that if he adds a jump shot or figures things out with experience could be a really high ceiling player. The IQ stuff worries me more than the physical limitations or shot... he will get smarter, but that stuff seems to be more in a player's DNA. At worst I think he's an energy big that can provide additional scoring bunch. I also like guys that set good screens... under rated part of evaluating big guys imo.

I just wonder more in overall terms if everyone conforms to small playmaking 4s or if the way to combat that is to abuse them in the post.
 
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