What's Philly philosophy that Ace doesnt fit?
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Kon opted out of athletic testing due to a "sprained ankle"
At the end of his podcast today Barlowe said that he's hearing Harper isnt a lock at 2.
HadAnEffectHere
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Ace is literally the opposite of Morey-ball? Ace never gets free throws or layups and rarely takes threes. His advanced stats are also pretty poor compared to VJ's. And Ace is just very very raw and not used to playing in a team context and would be the clear #5 on Philly (when the team is healthy which is not that often to be clear)
There is literally nothing about Ace Bailey that fits Philly or Morey in any way.
jom2003
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Now praying Hornets takes Ace.
jom2003
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Yeah sixers probably taking VJ or Tre
I've been watching the defense of Tre, Kon, Kas, and Fears. Some of the film makes me more optimistic about their defense, but one thing I need to remind myself of is that even the bad defensive prospects (and future bad defenders) look like good defenders in college. If I looked back at my evals on guys like Key and Brice, I was probably saying something along the lines of "this guy isn't as bad as they say". To some extent that is true. If you look back at the film, these guys were not getting completely cooked. Yeah, I didn't factor in the difference in levels of competition enough. The biggest difference is just the number of players that don't suck on an NBA floor. In college, there's barely any threats on the court so you can just guard one guy and there's a good chance that that one guy can't do much with or without the ball. Add on the terrible offensive schemes and coaching and it makes it really easy to defend at this level.
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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Beat me too it also how do other prospects fit their timeline better than Ace? That was a weird line
I'll be interested in what you come up with. I don't think any of them will be positive defenders. Based on what I have seen live I would go Kon>Kas>>Fears>>>>>Tre
I cant even name a small forward on their roster. Ace Bailey makes the most sense on Philly. Him or Tre.
Philly has been playing Paul George and Kelly Oubre. Justin Edwards also picked up some minutes.
Yeah but George is cooked and Oubre has a player option. They have a clear need for an athletic wing with upside. Maybe they prefer Johnson or VJ, but I dont see anything "philosophically" that says Morey wouldnt want Ace.
HadAnEffectHere
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???
Other than... the fact that Ace rates badly by statistical models, takes no free throws, almost no layups, and few threes?
And the fact that he's extremely raw on both ends on what is probably a win now team?
It feels like I just listed five things and then you just pretended to not be able to read for a second.
Cool, he plays SF, he's also years and years away and didn't help Rutgers win basketball games.
This isnt Morey's Rockets teams and players can be coached.
I can read fine, I just think you're saying stupid **** and dont know what you're talking about.
HadAnEffectHere
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So he plays nothing like how Morey or the 76ers want their players to play like, he's years and years away, didn't produce in college, but all of that is fine for a win-now 76ers team because he can be coached to play completely differently within several years?
VJ is not a great prospect, but he actually really produced in college whereas Ace was a distant #2 on a horrible team.
I would happily have and develop both.
Yeah, I'd agree about none of them being positive defenders at the next level....but when I'm watching these clips, none of them are really THAT bad. And tbf, I still think clips that show highlights/lowlights don't paint the full picture so I'll have to find some full games to watch.
Another way to look at this is that it's the opposite of what we often say about college offense. I wouldn't say that college basketball is "harder" to play than NBA offense, but there are things that we generally accept that will make things easier in the NBA. Having better teammates, better spacing, better offensive systems ect. But that flips on the defensive end. Because of the lack of talent, it's easier to defend on an individual level and especially in a team concept. The NBA prospect level guys can often struggle to create at this level because of X, Y, Z. When it's not an NBA prospect level guy, the offense is just hopeless and defense is so easy.
There's a lot of clips of them guarding individually in isolation.....but it's guarding a guy who is probably not that good and the paint is clogged and there are no shooters. And these guys are good enough to lock those guys down in that situation. Kon, for example, is obviously not a great athlete by NBA standards, but at the college level guys are like bouncing off his chest at any contact and he's not really that slow compared to his opponents. He's like a defensive wall when guys test him. I think it can bait you into thinking he might do the same vs pros, but it's just a whole different sport.
And it's even more extreme in off ball defense scenarios. You don't have to be great at closeouts. There's no mental energy required to stay in the possession. You won't find yourself in a situation where you have to zone up two guys to let the defense recover. It doesn't matter if don't navigate a screen.....I can go on forever about this. Individual defense isn't less important in the NBA per say, but there's this giant list of things you have to do in addition to individual defense that do not come up at the NCAA level. It really is chest vs checkers.
If the idea is that they want a win now piece, then they arent drafting at #3....
Sixers probably know their future is cooked, or at least is near cooked and them being not cooked relies completely on Embiid's knees being healthy, which is basically cooked. They are probably going to try and run a "two timelines" type of deal and fake compete until they can sell off Embiid and build around Maxey/McCain/Whoever they draft at 3.
So they are going to take whoever they think is the highest potential piece.
So they are going to take whoever they think is the highest potential piece.
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