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I wasn't optimistic on Ace's skillset in the first place and the more I hear about him, the less I want the Jazz to draft him. Fair enough if he had some Cooper Flagg level season, dominating and leading his team to a high seed in March Madness but he didn't. He performed inconsistently for a Rutgers team with another top prospect that didn't even get that far.

Ego is fine if you can back it up, but has Ace proven to be that guy? He could be Anthony Edwards or Josh Jackson.
 
HadAnEffectHere said:
ESPN on the 5th pick (they have the Jazz taking Tre)

"Bailey, who continues sliding down the board in this scenario, doesn't appear to have much interest in Utah and is viewed by most teams as a riskier bet. Expect Jeremiah Fears, and Knueppel, if available, to receive long looks as well. -- Woo"
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I think this is more a statement of praise for Tre Johnson for being a safe pick, yet still having compelling upside.
 
Basketball Novice said:
I wasn't optimistic on Ace's skillset in the first place and the more I hear about him, the less I want the Jazz to draft him. Fair enough if he had some Cooper Flagg level season, dominating and leading his team to a high seed in March Madness but he didn't. He performed inconsistently for a Rutgers team with another top prospect that didn't even get that far.

Ego is fine if you can back it up, but has Ace proven to be that guy? He could be Anthony Edwards or Josh Jackson.
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If I'm Will Hardy, I'm asking myself if Ace will pass the ball to an open shooter, or if he's going to jack because he's "feeling it."
 
Ferguson_Mellochill said:
If I'm Will Hardy, I'm asking myself if Ace will pass the ball to an open shooter, or if he's going to jack because he's "feeling it."
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It's a fair concern. I will say one of Will Hardy's strengths is catering his offense towards the strengths of his players. If we do draft Ace, I think Hardy will give Ace plenty of shots to get him into a groove and hope to play him through his 'selfishness' (don't think this is quite the right word). Looking at Ace's game logs, he was passing it better in the 2nd half of the season and he is incredibly young. All the news just has me feeling bad about him.
 
This Ace stuff screams "I want to score a lot of points and make a lot of money...................winning would be cool, or whatever, I guess.........but back to shots and money!"
 
Bodhi said:
This Ace stuff screams "I want to score a lot of points and make a lot of money...................winning would be cool, or whatever, I guess.........but back to shots and money!"
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Which is how OKC and Indiana are built... oh wait.

I've had Ace at the back and front of that 3-6 tier. I still take him and call his bluff at 5 and then see if I can leverage Brooklyn, NO, Wiz against each other to get the other guy in that tier and stuff.
 
Like would Brooklyn do 8, 19 and say a 2029 Knicks pick to move from 8 to 5 if Ace was their guy? If Queen or Malauch go top 7 it means Fears or Johnson are still there at 8. Do you like Queen, Essengue, Malauch, Kas enough to risk it?
 
I love this draft including the 2nd round. Even guys like Broome (projected a mid-2nd round pick) have legit potential.

So many solid defenders in this draft as well - I'm not referring to lockdown defenders but guys who can go out there and not stink it up on defense.

Ainge and company must be loving this - they hit on Isaiah and Kyle and so I'm excited to see what we hit with this draft!
 
So let's say Edgecombe goes at 3 (whether it's the Sixers or someone else).
Washington trades up to 4 with Charlotte to take Ace (Washington moves 6 and 18).
Jazz take Tre Johnson at 5.
Charlotte takes Knueppel at 6.
New Orleans takes Fears or Maluach at 7.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Like would Brooklyn do 8, 19 and say a 2029 Knicks pick to move from 8 to 5 if Ace was their guy? If Queen or Malauch go top 7 it means Fears or Johnson are still there at 8. Do you like Queen, Essengue, Malauch, Kas enough to risk it?
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Jazz just tanked to guarantee a top-5 pick. I don't think that offer from BRK is enough to make the Jazz trade back to 8. The Jazz need to key in on walking out with VJ, Tre or Ace, imo.
 
Bailey is signed to an agent with 3 clients (according to RealGM). Only Ace is a legitimate NBA prospect. His agent isnt a part of a larger team either.

Seems like his agent wants his client to go to the team where they can make the most money possible with more urgency than established agents/agencies would.

So yeah, I don't love it, but it doesn't affect how I feel about Ace as a prospect
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Like would Brooklyn do 8, 19 and say a 2029 Knicks pick to move from 8 to 5 if Ace was their guy? If Queen or Malauch go top 7 it means Fears or Johnson are still there at 8. Do you like Queen, Essengue, Malauch, Kas enough to risk it?
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If Tre and VJ are both gone and they don't really want Ace, them yeah.

If Tre is there I wouldn't risk it.
 
Ferguson_Mellochill said:
Jazz just tanked to guarantee a top-5 pick. I don't think that offer from BRK is enough to make the Jazz trade back to 8. The Jazz need to key in on walking out with VJ, Tre or Ace, imo.
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Nope.. they tanked to get a prospect they liked. If they can accomplish that and get stuff who the hell cares if they picked him at 5 or 8. If Fears is there guy and they get him at 5 or 8 then the 8 plus stuff is very much preferable.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Bailey is signed to an agent with 3 clients (according to RealGM). Only Ace is a legitimate NBA prospect. His agent isnt a part of a larger team either.

Seems like his agent wants his client to go to the team where they can make the most money possible with more urgency than established agents/agencies would.

So yeah, I don't love it, but it doesn't affect how I feel about Ace as a prospect
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Sharife Cooper's dad per X.

Big time GG Jackson vibes with this arrangement. I still take him either as leverage or as a prospect to keep.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Bailey is signed to an agent with 3 clients (according to RealGM). Only Ace is a legitimate NBA prospect. His agent isnt a part of a larger team either.

Seems like his agent wants his client to go to the team where they can make the most money possible with more urgency than established agents/agencies would.

So yeah, I don't love it, but it doesn't affect how I feel about Ace as a prospect
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Pretty sure his agent is Sharife Cooper’s father
 
Found an interesting author (claims to be a sports data scientist who has worked for the Hornets) who wrote about how Tre Johnson is overvalued. Compared him to Cam Thomas
Thought he brought up some good points.

nikoza2.substack.com

A Tre-tise on a Bucket-Getter

Why the NBA Draft Market is Incorrect on Tre Johnson
nikoza2.substack.com nikoza2.substack.com

He also has some articles on Ace, Harper, and Queen.
 
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