I always liked Donovan’s handle. Felt like he had pretty good pacing. Prolly need to watch more vj but my first thought is one cut and go and rise up.
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Bane sounds right tho some of what he brings reminds me a little of Hornacek.
He's managing expectations so that when the Jazz end up with the 3rd pick and take Bailey Locke will say that's the guy he wanted.
You want a hail-mary, total throwback comp for Kon Knueppel?
Chris Mullin's freshman year at St. John's: 17 pts, 3.2 rebs, 3 assists, 1.4 steals, 0.2 blocks. Mullin was a 90% FT shooter by his junior year. There was no 3pt line back then. Mullin was a 6'6", 200-lb., SF/SG.
Chris Mullin's freshman year at St. John's: 17 pts, 3.2 rebs, 3 assists, 1.4 steals, 0.2 blocks. Mullin was a 90% FT shooter by his junior year. There was no 3pt line back then. Mullin was a 6'6", 200-lb., SF/SG.
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Will Riley week on Cashiggy. I'm reevaluating my opinion of him as a guy I probably wrote off too early when he was playing poorly.
I think he's probably too early, but is pretty interesting. The idea of him and where he seems to be trending in his development is pretty compelling. I don't think he does anything today at an NBA level, but he has glimpses of an all around game. He can handle a little, pass a little, shoot a little. He's long, and can defend a little. He's obviously still young and should get much stronger.
Would you rather draft a player with a clear NBA skill, but a weakness they are not likely to overcome, or a guy that doesn't have an NBA skill, but no clear weaknesses either?
I think he's probably too early, but is pretty interesting. The idea of him and where he seems to be trending in his development is pretty compelling. I don't think he does anything today at an NBA level, but he has glimpses of an all around game. He can handle a little, pass a little, shoot a little. He's long, and can defend a little. He's obviously still young and should get much stronger.
Would you rather draft a player with a clear NBA skill, but a weakness they are not likely to overcome, or a guy that doesn't have an NBA skill, but no clear weaknesses either?
I'm leery of skinny, underdeveloped guys after last year. He's supposed to be a shooter, but his percentages aren't quite there. I'm not quite bought in.
He just very mediocre as a prospect to me, even if he pans out. His defense is pits imo and his offensive game doesnt excite me much.
I think he's been known more as a gunner than a great shooter.
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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This is one of the reasons I like him. Scoring seems so effortless and seems like a guy that won’t hold and dribble the ball for 15 seconds trying to create seporation and trying difficult moves. He just explodes through you and seems like a good passer.
The film I'm watching of him now tells a different story than what I thought of him before. He has some flashes of creating off the dribble. He is guarding both on the perimeter and helping down low.
Like I said, none of it looks good enough to be at an NBA level, but he's already made some progress since the first of the year and I could see teams betting on him continuing to develop.
He's not, that was kind of my point, but he also has more potential than I originally had thought of him as well.
I remain high on Kas because of his efficiency + self creation combo. He finished poorly after returning from injury, but he still finished 59% TS. There are guys with more volume, but none of the top freshman had less of their baskets assisted. So he was efficient despite having a very large amount of his scoring be self created. IMO, this makes it easy to believe that he could both scale up with decent efficiency or scale down and be extremely efficient. He did this while only shooting 32% from 3 because his shot distribution was so awesome and he's also a foul merchant. He's a moreball superstar. I am a believer in his shot because that low percentage because of the degree of difficulty on those shots, his volume, his history of shooting it better, and his high FT%. If he shoots it better he could really be a highly efficient creator. So you have highly efficient, self creating scorer and then you pair that with being one of the better passers in the draft. Yes he turns the ball over a lot (more on that later), but he also throws a ton of killer passes and shows terrific vision. What I see is a smart player who can get to the rim+FT line, he has great potential to shoot off the dribble 3's, and also has great potential as a playmaker. There's just a lot of great things he can do, and while I understand some of the hesitations, I'm on the bandwagon of believing that actual production/being good at basketball is underrated.
The concerns for him are obvious, it's the athleticism and defense. He's not super quick and fairly ground bound. I think it's fair to question how that will translate to the next level.....but this is one of those things where I'm trusting the production. He doesn't look like he should be able to get to the rim a lot, but he does anyways. I feel like we've been giving the benefit of the doubt to guys who can't get to the rim in college, I'm giving the benefit of the doubt to a guy who actually did it well. He also didn't fade against better competition. Against top 50 opponents his efficiency was essentially the same as his overall efficiency at 58% TS. If he struggled against better competition I would have more concerns about the athleticism, but out of all the top guards his efficiency dropped the least.
Defensively, I don't have many great things to say other than that I think he does play very hard. He's shows great effort and chases guys around tirelessly even if his screen navigation isn't great. I think this shows up in his rebound stats which are pretty good, once again in spite of his supposed physical limitations. I can't say I think his defense will be good, but I do think it's better than some of the guys in the same range (which is not saying much tbf). He has decent strength, plays smart, and plays hard.
About the turnovers.....High turnovers is not why these guys succeeded, of course, but it's also hard to say high turnovers is a death sentence. Below are top 10 picks with > 4 turnovers per36 since 2010. Lot of great playmakers on this list, and the one's who failed didn't fail because of their passing ability.
Cade
Ja
Hayes
Trae
Wall
Turner
Evans
Rubio
Curry
The concerns for him are obvious, it's the athleticism and defense. He's not super quick and fairly ground bound. I think it's fair to question how that will translate to the next level.....but this is one of those things where I'm trusting the production. He doesn't look like he should be able to get to the rim a lot, but he does anyways. I feel like we've been giving the benefit of the doubt to guys who can't get to the rim in college, I'm giving the benefit of the doubt to a guy who actually did it well. He also didn't fade against better competition. Against top 50 opponents his efficiency was essentially the same as his overall efficiency at 58% TS. If he struggled against better competition I would have more concerns about the athleticism, but out of all the top guards his efficiency dropped the least.
Defensively, I don't have many great things to say other than that I think he does play very hard. He's shows great effort and chases guys around tirelessly even if his screen navigation isn't great. I think this shows up in his rebound stats which are pretty good, once again in spite of his supposed physical limitations. I can't say I think his defense will be good, but I do think it's better than some of the guys in the same range (which is not saying much tbf). He has decent strength, plays smart, and plays hard.
About the turnovers.....High turnovers is not why these guys succeeded, of course, but it's also hard to say high turnovers is a death sentence. Below are top 10 picks with > 4 turnovers per36 since 2010. Lot of great playmakers on this list, and the one's who failed didn't fail because of their passing ability.
Cade
Ja
Hayes
Trae
Wall
Turner
Evans
Rubio
Curry
I just see the ball getting high and loose too often... hence the concern. Its not about beating the defender, its about having small moments when I feel like the dribble doesnt stay compact and he either bounces it too high or it gets too far from his body. I think seeing Amen Thompson slide into off ball player has made me very questionnable about guys who can handle it well enough in the NBA. If you are 6'4 or shorter I'm not that concerned... since the dribble will be lower by default.
The first step thing I'm not sure about. Its hard for me to analyze with limited tape since eyes can deceive you there. He is very athletic and has long strides, so I would imagine that he can move well enough to beat defenders when they are off balance or have their feet/hips poorly positioned.... But if your handles arent great then you cannot get the full benefit from your athleticism either.
But it doesnt matter which one is the issue. If he cannot consistently create advantages off the dribble against well positioned defenders and/or get to the rim off the dribble then the high end comp isnt anywhere near KD... its somewhere closer to the neighborhood of Ingram (with worse passing and better defense).
David Hume
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I liked the scene where he grabbed a teammate's leg to keep him from stepping out of bounds.
HadAnEffectHere
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The issue with comparing VJ to Mitchell (or most players to Mitchell) is that Mitchell wanted to be a baseball player growing up and thus was less polished just because he focused less on basketball.
VJ moved away from the Bahamas at 13 to focus as much as he could on basketball and always wanted to be a basketball player.
VJ has had a lot of years to learn how to dribble and has not been successful so far.
VJ moved away from the Bahamas at 13 to focus as much as he could on basketball and always wanted to be a basketball player.
VJ has had a lot of years to learn how to dribble and has not been successful so far.