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Following Potential 2025 Draftees

If we take Fears without trading Sexton, this is almost like the scenario with Udoka when we had 3 playable centers already. We would then have Collier (can't shoot), Keyonte (can't playmake, play defense, can have really poor shot selection), Sexton (a lot of heart, no defense), Clarkson (god knows), and then Fears (can't shoot).

The only positive thing about taking Fears is it pretty much guarantees us getting bottom 3 again.

Take Ace or Tre. Please don't make this hard to watch another season again
 
Not sure what this is supposed to mean but is Lauri to the Kings a thing? The kings hold all of their picks and I am down to collect 4 Kings picks because that's what Bane went for. They can keep Keegan Murray for all I care.

Devin Carter for the 21st? Devin Carter and a future pick for Keyonte anyone?
 
The Jazz Wonderbra said:
Fears Weaknesses on the video included:

Poor ast/tov and poor decision making...
Low FG% in particularly from 3
Finishing... which is just dumb since his best skill is getting from A to B on the court but that doesn't matter if you cant finish...
Defensive liability that can only guard 1 position which doesn't translate to the playoffs...

Combine all of that and it is just a no go for me.

High Ceiling is nice but it is a very low floor. He comps like Monta Ellis...

If we draft Fears tomorrow and dont get a very very solid asset with him, I am going to be peeeeeyisssed. If we get Fears with the 21st pick I am ok with that because he is really young and there is consensus upside even if I dont see it yet.
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- poor finisher
- low FG%
- poor 3p shooter
- poor defender
- poor decision making
- small

Still more efficient scorer, twice as high AST% than offensive marvel Tre Johnson. And for a "small" guard still 50% higher stocks than great sized, long +6" wingspan Tre Johnson.

For the record, this is not an anti-Tre post. I'd be very happy with him too. I just want to point out how selective we can be with what we hold against some players, while at the same time just looking past similar concerns for our favorite players.
 
stitches said:
- poor finisher
- low FG%
- poor 3p shooter
- poor defender
- poor decision making
- small

Still more efficient scorer, twice as high AST% than offensive marvel Tre Johnson. And for a "small" guard still 50% higher stocks than great sized, long +6" wingspan Tre Johnson.

For the record, this is not an anti-Tre post. I'd be very happy with him too. I just want to point out how selective we can be with what we hold against some players, while at the same time just looking past similar concerns for our favorite players.
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I’ve decided that my main issue with fears is simply that Kas better >>>>
 
stitches said:
- poor finisher
- low FG%
- poor 3p shooter
- poor defender
- poor decision making
- small

Still more efficient scorer, twice as high AST% than offensive marvel Tre Johnson. And for a "small" guard still 50% higher stocks than great sized, long +6" wingspan Tre Johnson.

For the record, this is not an anti-Tre post. I'd be very happy with him too. I just want to point out how selective we can be with what we hold against some players, while at the same time just looking past similar concerns for our favorite players.
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I just dont see it. Tre is one dimensional, yeah, but if that's your argument for going for Fears then it is the same against Tre.

Tre shoots.

Fears dribbles.

I prefer shooting really well to dribbling really well. ESPECIALLY in a Hardy system where we value ball movement to setup good shots vs Iso play.
 
KqWIN said:
I’ve decided that my main issue with fears is simply that Kas better >>>>
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I have a weird thing with Kas. I watch him and I love a lot of what I see. I love how he plays the game. He is the guy who's lower on my board that I think has relatively high chance to make me look foolish for not having him much higher. But I just can't shake that feeling that a lot of what was working for him in college will not work against better, longer, stronger, more skilled athletes in the NBA. I just feel like he's hanging by a thread on a ton of his possessions. I had very similar feeling with Reed last year and it was the reason I had him much lower than consensus. At least Kas has the size so I think he has a better chance to succeed IMO.
 
ok i would like to apologise to HH I no longer fear Kon K as the worst disaster possible at pick 5. I still don't love him but at least he'd be useful in some way. My nightmares at 5 are firstly the one clownshow that is Ace Bailey who is totally not worth the hassle. And also the midget Jeremiah Fears who i think will be really good one day after he goes through puberty but i can't cheer for another small guard.

Here is hoping for Mr Johnson
 
The Jazz Wonderbra said:
Crazy!!! Would you miss a finals game to be at the draft? What does that say about who you are? Priorities? I don't know... but if you have dog in you, you go for the championship and miss the green room.
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I'm guessing he's not missing the game to be in the green room, but to avoid injury. That, or the coach just decided to play guys who are the future (of the team).
 
Neither the Jazz FO, nor the Celtics FO(young Ainge's recent team) seem to be particularly leaky so... I actually think for the Fears thing to actually become a ... thing 2-3 days before the draft I feel like this must be a smokescreen. We are probably trying to convince a team behind us that their preferred prospect is safe and we won't take him... to dissuade them from trading above us to take him.

The obvious prospect we must be going after IMO is Ace.
 
stitches said:
Neither the Jazz FO, nor the Celtics FO(young Ainge's recent team) seem to be particularly leaky so... I actually think for the Fears thing to actually become a ... thing 2-3 days before the draft I feel like this must be a smokescreen. We are probably trying to convince a team behind us that their preferred prospect is safe and we won't take him... to dissuade them from trading above us to take him.

The obvious prospect we must be going after IMO is Ace.
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My bets are Tre, Fears, or Ace
 
Something I'm going to dive into more later today when I have time, but anyone else is free to do so.

What's the hit record for Canadian prospects drafted? Off the top of my head it seems insane with a large number outplaying their draft position, but I might be forgetting a number of them who didn't make it.

Maybe there is something about being raised outside of the American development system, but being able to easily transfer over to it at a later age, or just being close enough to absorb the positive aspects of American development through osmosis.

Basically my theory is that they are brought up outside of the American system, so a greater emphasis on fundamentals at an early age, but are still close to the elite American talent to play against semi regularly to make them better in a way European prospects can't. They are becoming fundamental hoopers. SGA, Olynyk, and Nash are great examples of that play style


So draft Will Riley. He's going to be a fundamental hooper
 
idiot said:
I'm a little miffed at this "we're talking our selves out of/into [player x]" narrative that seems to be going around.

It seems to be based on the unstated (or sometimes stated) assumption that we already know who the best draft prospects are, and that it's just a matter of making sure we don't screw it up. And I think this sense of who the best draft prospect are, at least for some, is based on being hit over the head for months by media draft analysts about who has superstar upside.

So it feels like there's movement (and maybe foolish movement) in the days leading up to the draft because what we seem to be seeing about team valuation of draftees doesn't entirely match the one we've been clinging onto for months.

I sure hope that the starting point for the Jazz has not been this general sense of draftee value based on months of media analysis. I hope they aren't working off a baseline of player rankings that were established in November. I hope their process isn't dominated by discussion of "rising" or "falling" prospects. Rather, I hope that they've emphasized the data gathering for as long as possible and held off until somewhat closer to the end their actual ranking process.
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Saint Cy of JFC said:
Something I'm going to dive into more later today when I have time, but anyone else is free to do so.

What's the hit record for Canadian prospects drafted? Off the top of my head it seems insane with a large number outplaying their draft position, but I might be forgetting a number of them who didn't make it.

Maybe there is something about being raised outside of the American development system, but being able to easily transfer over to it at a later age, or just being close enough to absorb the positive aspects of American development through osmosis.

Basically my theory is that they are brought up outside of the American system, so a greater emphasis on fundamentals at an early age, but are still close to the elite American talent to play against semi regularly to make them better in a way European prospects can't. They are becoming fundamental hoopers. SGA, Olynyk, and Nash are great examples of that play style


So draft Will Riley. He's going to be a fundamental hooper
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RJ Barrett is Canadian, isn’t he? Wiggins is.
 
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