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SoberasHotRod said:
I potentially have the same blind spot for Kas. It's really hard for me to imagine that he can't be an off ball player, but it's very far from a guarantee.
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I may also be overvaluing/overrating his BBIQ and motor. On paper, the big question would be the turnovers and that’s typically a reflection of poor BBIQ. But I truly think he’s a smart player that also has a very high motor. So that’s a weakness on paper that I see as a strength in reality. Defensively he’s not great, but he’s also tireless and maybe he can be better if he’s not also carrying a massive offensive load. Mistake prone? Yes, 100%, but I think he’s a winning player who plays the right way. And from what I’ve read from Barcelona fans, he’s someone you want to go to battle with.

If Fears is a 10/10 ball handler, Kas is honestly like a 4/10 and that counts for something, a lot of something. But Kas is just so much more believable in the other areas imo. Way better at finishing, passing, defending, bigger, more believable shooting etc.
 
bigmike said:
My overwhelming instinct is "too small." Hard to ignore the efficiency though.
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Going by advanced stats, he is actually a decent defender. His wingspan isn't great but its decent at 6'6" comparable to Fears at 6'5.3" and Kas at 6'7.8". The shooting is lights out at 62% TS and it seems he was underutilized at Michigan State. If this guy can bring 95% (or even more...) of what Tre Johnson or Fears can bring..... he is smaller but neither Tre or Fears plays defense at all so does the size really matter?
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Pretty damn good list of players, but that list wont include the guys who got drafted and arent in the league anymore due to not being good enough.

Wonder why being Canadian isnt viewed more positively. They might have the biggest hit % among any country.
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This one is a little bit older, but includes their draft position:

Canada One Foundation » Canadians That Were Drafted By The NBA

canadaonefoundation.com canadaonefoundation.com

I was forgetting that Anthony Bennet was Canadian
 
KqWIN said:
I may also be overvaluing/overrating his BBIQ and motor. On paper, the big question would be the turnovers and that’s typically a reflection of poor BBIQ. But I truly think he’s a smart player that also has a very high motor. So that’s a weakness on paper that I see as a strength in reality. Defensively he’s not great, but he’s also tireless and maybe he can be better if he’s not also carrying a massive offensive load. Mistake prone? Yes, 100%, but I think he’s a winning player who plays the right way. And from what I’ve read from Barcelona fans, he’s someone you want to go to battle with.

If Fears is a 10/10 ball handler, Kas is honestly like a 4/10 and that counts for something, a lot of something. But Kas is just so much more believable in the other areas imo. Way better at finishing, passing, defending, bigger, more believable shooting etc.
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The skillset is more well rounded but there is no special quality that's going to push him over the top or give him an edge vs. other creator types. Unless you see the well roundedness as a unique quality. I would say his best quality is his vision but the TO rate is sky high as well.
 
Basketball Novice said:
The skillset is more well rounded but there is no special quality that's going to push him over the top or give him an edge vs. other creator types. Unless you see the well roundedness as a unique quality. I would say his best quality is his vision but the TO rate is sky high as well.
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I get it if you think it may not translate as well, but I think Kas deserves some credit for being an elite finisher around the basket. And he’s also extremely efficient in the half court despite being mostly self created. There doesn’t really exist a freshman with his levels of self creation and scoring efficiency.
 
KqWIN said:
I get it if you think it may not translate as well, but I think Kas deserves some credit for being an elite finisher around the basket. And he’s also extremely efficient in the half court despite being mostly self created. There doesn’t really exist a freshman with his levels of self creation and scoring efficiency.
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This is where the numbers and the eye test diverged for me. The numbers say he is extremely efficient in the half court with lots of self creation. What I see is that it looks really difficult for him sometimes. Its disconcerting as things usually line up better for me when I watch guys. Makes me hesitant to buy in. Feels bad to ding him over things that the stats partially disprove but that is where I am currently at with him.
 
Basketball Novice said:
This is where the numbers and the eye test diverged for me. The numbers say he is extremely efficient in the half court with lots of self creation. What I see is that it looks really difficult for him sometimes. Its disconcerting as things usually line up better for me when I watch guys. Makes me hesitant to buy in. Feels bad to ding him over things that the stats partially disprove but that is where I am currently at with him.
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I think that’s fine….I’m choosing to see his IQ as a strength even though the TOV numbers potentially suggesting otherwise. I actually love what I see on film though. He’s extremely crafty for his age and also very physical. It does look like he’s barely holding on a lot, but I like that he’s not afraid to mix it up and challenge the defender in a variety of ways. Definitely not as smooth as Fears, but his finishing was on another planet in terms of effectiveness.
 
My favorites (no precise order here, but definitely a rough ranking):

Knueppel
Kasparas
CMB
Wolf
Essengue
Coward
Hansen Yang
Gonzalez
Fleming
Saraf


This exercise has taught me that if we can't get Kon at 5, then I'm obviously in favor of trading down and collecting some assets. It would be interesting to see a youth movement with some good connecting pieces. Given where we are at the moment, I'd be excited by a draft outcome of Kasparas + CMB (or Kon + Coward/Gonzalez).




In other words, we might be positioned to get some excellent connecting pieces this year. Sell off Lauri, Collins, Sexton, etc? and lose a bunch of games next year. Try to finish in the top 3 of next year's draft.
 
My2Cents said:
Crazy that we could have both Trey and Ace still on the board, and take Fears.
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Just not following it. How can any organization with a competent scouting department rate Fears a better prospect over Tre? Seems to me that whatever Tre is bad at, Fears is simply worse(finishing at the rim, passing, defense) but without any of Tre's strength(shooting and size for position). Am I missing something here? Ainge needs to go if we draft Fears over Tre. This is Doke type of disaster ready to happen and it cost DL's job as we know.
 
jom2003 said:
Just not following it. How can any organization with a competent scouting department rate Fears a better prospect over Tre? Seems to me that whatever Tre is bad at, Fears is simply worse(finishing at the rim, passing, defense) but without any of Tre's strength(shooting and size for position). Am I missing something here? Ainge needs to go if we draft Fears over Tre. This is Doke type of disaster ready to happen and it cost DL's job as we know.
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What are you talking about? The only thing Tre does better is shoot 3s. Fears is better at getting to the rim, drawing fouls, playmaking, rebounding, getting steals, dribbling. He also is a more efficient scorer and also carried a team in the SEC. Tre is subpar at everything except making 3s and having a good combine.
 
Basketball Novice said:
What are you talking about? The only thing Tre does better is shoot 3s. Fears is better at getting to the rim, drawing fouls, playmaking, rebounding, getting steals, dribbling. He also is a more efficient scorer and also carried a team in the SEC. Tre is subpar at everything except making 3s and having a good combine.
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What good is getting to the rim if you can't finish? If you can't shoot, you have to have the ball in your hand at all times or NBA defense will just sag off when you don't and cut away all of your effectiveness dribbling/driving to the basket which is supposedly his biggest strength. And are we really ready to let Fears dominate the ball in a backcourt filled with players who need it? How is Fears a better playmaker if he has a worse A/T ratio than Tre and led his conference in TOs?
 
jom2003 said:
What good is getting to the rim if you can't finish? If you can't shoot, you have to have the ball in your hand at all times or NBA defense will just sag off when you don't and cut away all of your effectiveness dribbling/driving to the basket which is supposedly his biggest strength. And are we really ready to let Fears dominate the ball in a backcourt filled with players who need it? How is Fears a better playmaker if he has a worse A/T ratio than Tre and led his conference in TOs?
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Because the first step of learning to finish at the rim is to get to the rim
 
jom2003 said:
What good is getting to the rim if you can't finish? If you can't shoot, you have to have the ball in your hand at all times or NBA defense will just sag off when you don't and cut away all of your effectiveness dribbling/driving to the basket which is supposedly his biggest strength. And are we really ready to let Fears dominate the ball in a backcourt filled with players who need it? How is Fears a better playmaker if he has a worse A/T ratio than Tre and led his conference in TOs?
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Fears gets to the rim at a massively higher rate than Tre, also draws tons of fouls, turning shots he would make at the rim into Free Throws which don't get reflected in the rim%.

Fears has great shooting indicators from everywhere except off the dribble 3s. He just took a ton of off dribble 3s. Fears shoots as well with non-rim 2s as Ace Bailey (46%)

Fears has a 28.6% assist rate compared to Tre's 16.5% assist rate. When players make more passes, they have more turnovers generally. A/T ratio is only a small part of the playmaking picture. Tre is masssively handicapped by the fact that he can't consistently get into the paint and create advantages for others.

Fears profiles as a boom or bust offensive engine guard. Tre profiles as an all shooting no defense off guard. That is why some people see Fears as a better prospect.
 
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