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Game Thread? OKC vs. Utah

It's so incredibly disappointing to see the state of the team. These huge deficits are a gigantic red flag. If we were losing but competing, and showing effort/heart it would be acceptable. This team just looks like it is bad fit basketball chemistry-wise. Seems like the players like each other, similar to last season but it's just a bad fit on the court. Before blowing it up, I think that Quin should shake up the starting 5. I might try something like starting...

Exum/Mitchell/Bogey/Green/Gobert

bench unit...

Conley/Mudiay/O'Neal/Ingles/Davis

Each unit has enough shooting and defense on paper to be serviceable to very good. At this point, we aren't beating the top 4-5 teams in the West come April so you may as well exhaust all possibilities before then and if we need to look at trading Conley, Ingles, etc. then we can address it in February.

I worried about this when Rubio and Favors left but I genuinely felt like we could outscore anyone in the league on any given night to offset the dip in defense and rebounding. I just never fathomed it would look like this a quarter of the way into the season. Conley has been a massive disappointment, and I didn't think we'd ever live in a world were we'd be begging for the return of Ricky Rubio.
 
The positives that I'm holding on too at this s**** time are

1) Our top 6 players- Rudy, DM, Mike, Bogey, Joe, Royce are legit. Despite individual struggles from DM, Mike and Joe at various points throughout the season, stats say that that 6 is very very good. Contender worthy top 6.

- Quin always seems to have his teams playing at their best at the end of the season. So hopes are he can do it again.

- Our issues are fixable. We've seen the Jazz play good defense. We've seen the Jazz have stretches of good offense. The roster needs a better bench and adequate bench players aren't as hard to find as stars/starters. We can fix this.
 
Hmm. Well a few thoughts.

If you were to ask yourself what kind of coach is Quin, we know the answer, he's a defensive coach who's not that great on offense.

What we did in the off-season was we gained a lot of offensive scoring talent, but what took a massive hit was the defense of this team, and especially defensive IQ which is absolutely abysmal with some of these offensive players we have acquired. So we might have handicapped our coach who is defensive-minded, but given him all this offensive talent, of which he doesn't exactly know how to get the most out of.

Some of the things I'm seeing on the defensive end are truly mind-blowing. There is no doubt that Quin has some key performances indicators that have been established within the team, and are probably a permanent fixture on the whiteboard of every game. The players just aren't responding, or are incapable of responding to, especially on the defensive end. The 'falling asleep' on the defensive end is staggering.

Derrick Favors was a high defensive IQ guy, Jae was okay, Ricky was a high IQ guy on defense but didn't have the footspeed for some of the quicker guards. You felt like there was a big understanding on the defensive end last year, and a decent understanding on offense. This year, there is no real understanding, and the only chemistry on display is Joe/Rudy. We've also simplified the offensive sets for the new guys, and it's looking like a$$. Have we really handicapped our coach that much?
 
Jazz Traveler said:
I wish Exum could get about 10 games with 15 minutes to 20 minutes per game without getting yanked for every little mistake. Give him some consistent playing time, let him build some confidence. Then assess. If he isn’t going to make the cut, then ship him out. But I absolutely hate the double standard where his mistakes are magnified and Mitchell and Mudiay are allowed to get away with such selfish play.

Joe didn’t get to handle the ball near as much in the 3rd quarter. The Jazz are so much better when Joe runs the offense vs. Mitchell. Mitchell is looking to get his shot. Joe is looking to create a good shot for somebody else.
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What's weird is Mitchell was playing the exact same way last December, then claimed later on to have learned his lesson from it. I guess he forgot.
 
jom2003 said:
if we are seriously hoping for G-league players to save us right now, we don't deserve to be in the playoff, let alone contending for a championship
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No one's expecting a G-leaguer to come in and save the team, but the guys we're playing off the bench right now--Mudiay, Niang, Davis, etc. are no better than our G-league players.
 
SCS said:
We need to address the bench asap. Either DL needs to make a move or Quin needs to stop being stubborn and try something new.
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Mudiay should go. He can't run the team. He doesn't shoot 3s. His defense is loose. His drives stop our offensive flow and haven't gone anywhere in the last half dozen games.
 
Explanations/excuses are running out of gas.
Ugly performances piling up.
Coaching staff lost, reactionless.
Players don't gel and don't share.
Frustration taking over.
Other teams looking good, better than Jazz.
That's it right now.
Hope our dudes turn it around but... probably won't happen with coaching staff/brass stalled, iced.
 
What a s***** day. I had a crown and post fall out this morning while brushing my teeth, work was horrible, then the Jazz come out with no energy and get played off their own court by a tired below .500 team. Sometimes it just doesn't pay to get out of bed.
 
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There's a part of me that still wants to see a Bradley/Davis/Green bench frontcourt instead of Davis/Green/Niang. I get the spacing issue you would have with Bradley and Davis on the floor together. But Bradley is more active than Niang. At the very least we would have a size advantage. We'd win the bench rebounding battle. Bradley would get us some easy baskets. Defense would be pretty good in the paint. As opposed to Davis/Green/Niang which doesn't give us an advantage of any kind.
 
Dali said:
Hmm. Well a few thoughts.

If you were to ask yourself what kind of coach is Quin, we know the answer, he's a defensive coach who's not that great on offense.

What we did in the off-season was we gained a lot of offensive scoring talent, but what took a massive hit was the defense of this team, and especially defensive IQ which is absolutely abysmal with some of these offensive players we have acquired. So we might have handicapped our coach who is defensive-minded, but given him all this offensive talent, of which he doesn't exactly know how to get the most out of.

Some of the things I'm seeing on the defensive end are truly mind-blowing. There is no doubt that Quin has some key performances indicators that have been established within the team, and are probably a permanent fixture on the whiteboard of every game. The players just aren't responding, or are incapable of responding to, especially on the defensive end. The 'falling asleep' on the defensive end is staggering.

Derrick Favors was a high defensive IQ guy, Jae was okay, Ricky was a high IQ guy on defense but didn't have the footspeed for some of the quicker guards. You felt like there was a big understanding on the defensive end last year, and a decent understanding on offense. This year, there is no real understanding, and the only chemistry on display is Joe/Rudy. We've also simplified the offensive sets for the new guys, and it's looking like a$$. Have we really handicapped our coach that much?
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Well thought out and quite possibly exactly on point. Unfortunately gives little hope of getting back on track with this team as currently constructed with our particular coaching staff
 
Catchall said:
No one's expecting a G-leaguer to come in and save the team, but the guys we're playing off the bench right now--Mudiay, Niang, Davis, etc. are no better than our G-league players.
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Mudiay/Green ain't no G-league players. both are just second unit materials at best. but simply due to the incompetency of our staring 1 & 4, we are asking too much out of them
 
I've said it before and I know it's not a popular idea and probably would never happen but maybe bring Bogey off of the bench and allow him to play more freely. I think he could be a Lou Williams type 18+ ppg 15+ shots per game player.
 
Thinking about it if Quin is so damn gung ho about Niang and spacing then why aren't we playing Bradley/Green/Niang as the bench frontcourt instead of Davis/Green/Niang? Why are we spacing the floor for Davis when he's not a finisher like that? Davis is a better overall player than Bradley IMO. But Bradley makes more sense in that role because he's got good hands and can finish around the rim. At least then the spacing would matter for something.
 
jom2003 said:
Mudiay/Green ain't no G-league players. both are just second unit materials at best. but simply due to the incompetency of our staring 1 & 4, we are asking too much out of them
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Mudiay is shooting 30% from 3-pt and has an assist-to-turnover ratio of 1.3. He got dumped by the Knicks after last season, and, quite frankly, he's barely holding on to a spot in the league.

Jeff Green averages 2.8 rebs per game in over 19 mins of game time, and he only plays spotty defense. There's a reason he's a minimum-contract player.

The starters aren't the problem. Their +/- has been positive, even through the losing streak.
 
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