General Conference - Fall 2010

[Archie Moses]

Can you refer me to any instances of bullying / beatings / murders that originated out of an individuals love of porn / smoking / drinking? Didn't think so.

My mom caught me looking at porn in Jr. High and she beat me. I'm sure people who look at animal porn get beat up and bullied. My sister-in-law beat my brother up for looking at porn. Many Islamic people who drink get beat/killed/stoned. How many adulterers are murdered each year?









I know, right?

 

[bigb]

Archie/Beanclown/franklin/Bronco70, do you believe that sexual orientation is a choice and can be changed?

Even though I wasn't addressed in this question, I'll answer it.
I know that I am heterosexual. Always have been. I have NO memories of ever looking at men and being attracted to them. Does that mean I was born hetero? I guess you can say that. I have a gay friend who repeatedly says he has never found women attractive. Does that mean he was born gay? It's the same (opposite) situation as me, so I guess you can say that. Do either of us want to change our sexual orientation? I know I don't, and my friend says he doesn't either. Could either of us change? I honestly don't know, as I've never tried it. My opinion is that if we both enjoy what we're doing, why try to change it? Like the old adage says, "if it aint' broke, don't fix it.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

Does the President who's mentioned in this thread have the first name Fudge by chance?

 

[Duck Rodgers]

So let's say I adopted 1000 newborn male babies.....moved them to Gayville where no females reside.....offer them exposure to gay porn when their growing up.....educate them around a gay friendly curriculum.....all of their media exposure also being gay friendly.....and then allow them into the rest of the world for their college studies/careers. You guys really believe that only 1-10%(whichever number you think accurately represents the gay community) would still be gay?

 

[C l u t c H 385]

Gays bleed Sunny Delight.

 

[G-O-A-T]

My mom caught me looking at porn in Jr. High and she beat me. I'm sure people who look at animal porn get beat up and bullied. My sister-in-law beat my brother up for looking at porn. Many Islamic people who drink get beat/killed/stoned. How many adulterers are murdered each year?


I know, right?

Not sure if you're joking or serious... if joking, that's pretty clever. Otherwise, you've beaten me into submission with this discussion.

So let's say I adopted 1000 newborn male babies.....moved them to Gayville where no females reside.....offer them exposure to gay porn when their growing up.....educate them around a gay friendly curriculum.....all of their media exposure also being gay friendly.....and then allow them into the rest of the world for their college studies/careers. You guys really believe that only 1-10%(whichever number you think accurately represents the gay community) would still be gay?

I think there would be a higher number of gays than normal... but considering that you abuse them (offering your children gay porn) in your hypothetical test, I think your test would be biased and worthless. Not to mention, that you moved them to a male only community... that would be sort of strange too, since I don't know of any modern cities that are male/female only.

 

[One Brow]

Of course, the leadership is going to deny your request.

Bring on the litigation. So you see, there could be a bit of a slippery slope.

Comparable situations:
No US court has ever required the Catholic Church to recognize marriages between one or two divorced people. Back when annullments were hard to come by, this made being Catholic very difficult for many.
No US court has ever required a church who taught segregation to acknowledge inter-racial or inter-faith couples.

Similarly, no US court will require Mormon temples to recognize homosexual marriages. The 1st amendment line is bright and clear. So, the only possibly litigation would be within a Mormon judicial equivalent.

So... if you have a gay couple who is abiding by every other church guideline, why should they be denied these ordinances? Therein lies the paradox. I've always understood (and I am completely open to the possibility that I am way off) that to the church homosexuality was, more or less, a subset of the Law of Chastity (see above).

There are actual European countries with full marriage available to homosexual. If you check, I'm sure you'll find the temples in those coutries do not feel teh Law O Chastity has been upheld by them.

This is a point that I see glossed over on a frequent basis. That blacks are overwhelmingly against gay marriage. I think I've seen polls that show upwards of 75% favor making it illegal. Mormons simply make for a more PC target.

If this were a a board populated by minorities, it probably would. Even then, there is no single organization that is the minority church, comparable to the LDS.

So let's say I adopted 1000 newborn male babies.....moved them to Gayville where no females reside.....offer them exposure to gay porn when their growing up.....educate them around a gay friendly curriculum.....all of their media exposure also being gay friendly.....and then allow them into the rest of the world for their college studies/careers. You guys really believe that only 1-10%(whichever number you think accurately represents the gay community) would still be gay?

Depends on your definition of gay.

 

[C l u t c H 385]

Depends on your definition of gay.

Dudes who bone dudes. Now whats your answer.

 

[Duck Rodgers]

I think there would be a higher number of gays than normal... but considering that you abuse them (offering your children gay porn) in your hypothetical test, I think your test would be biased and worthless. Not to mention, that you moved them to a male only community... that would be sort of strange too, since I don't know of any modern cities that are male/female only.

It doesn't matter the controls though, I used that extreme example because I think the change would be more apparent. My point simply is that I think you would have to be exposed to something consistently to like it and I think that will bare itself out in the statistics on homosexuality as they become more stable. The numbers are too political right now to make a good environment correlation, but I suspect it will edge up that way as homosexuals become more accepted. I suppose it's likely that the government is already aware that sexuality can be manipulated. The problem with these liberal movements is that they are all just pillars of the eugenicist movement. Abortion(fertility)/ Gay rights/ Climate Change/Welfare....they are all meant to stop population growth, not help people. Killing them softly.

 

[G-O-A-T]

Homosexual tolerance is a government conspiracy to stunt population growth? Never thought about it like that...

 

[C l u t c H 385]

Homosexual tolerance is a government conspiracy to stunt population growth? Never thought about it like that...

Barrack Obama is a baby hating prick.

 

[C l u t c H 385]

84% of gays cheat on their taxes, and lovers.

 

[One Brow]

Dudes who bone dudes. Now whats your answer.

By that definition, there are a lot of men in prison (or the Navy, for that matter) that are gay, even though they never consider sex with men when there are females around. Absent females, lots of men will express their sexuality with males while still on the island. Howeve4r, once they get retruned to a society with females, many of them will focus on the women instead instead.

 

[NUMBERICA]

It doesn't matter the controls though, I used that extreme example because I think the change would be more apparent. My point simply is that I think you would have to be exposed to something consistently to like it and I think that will bare itself out in the statistics on homosexuality as they become more stable. The numbers are too political right now to make a good environment correlation, but I suspect it will edge up that way as homosexuals become more accepted. I suppose it's likely that the government is already aware that sexuality can be manipulated. The problem with these liberal movements is that they are all just pillars of the eugenicist movement. Abortion(fertility)/ Gay rights/ Climate Change/Welfare....they are all meant to stop population growth, not help people. Killing them softly.

Michael Savage posts on Jazzfanz!!! I'm a big fan!

 

[Beantown]

Archie/Beanclown/franklin/Bronco70, do you believe that sexual orientation is a choice and can be changed?

People are changing their sexual orientation almost daily. It happens all the time. There is a high number of lesbians that have had children from previous marriages. My gay uncle had relations with women well into his 30's. He now lives with his partner and considers himself gay. But he also says he is attracted to women. Ann Heche was a lesbian and now she is not. Alot of people CHANGE their sexual orientation by CHOICE, nobody is holding guns to their heads.

 

[bigb]

People are changing their sexual orientation almost daily. It happens all the time. There is a high number of lesbians that have had children from previous marriages. My gay uncle had relations with women well into his 30's. He now lives with his partner and considers himself gay. But he also says he is attracted to women. Ann Heche was a lesbian and now she is not. Alot of people CHANGE their sexual orientation by CHOICE, nobody is holding guns to their heads.

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing, but one could/would argue that these examples don't work. One could argue that your uncle was always gay and didn't live it until he was in his 30's. It could be said Ann Heche was always straight and wanted to "try" being gay, or thought she was gay and realized she was actually straight.

 

[Beantown]

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing, but one could/would argue that these examples don't work. One could argue that your uncle was always gay and didn't live it until he was in his 30's. It could be said Ann Heche was always straight and wanted to "try" being gay, or thought she was gay and realized she was actually straight.

The question isnt about the reasoning. But the fact is large amounts of people are CHANGING their sexual orientation all the time. By all accounts it their CHOICE, and they are not being forced into it.

 

[Scat]

It could be said Ann Heche was always straight and wanted to "try" being gay, or thought she was gay and realized she was actually straight.

Why would anyone choose to be gay?

 

[Bronco70]

Why would anyone choose to be gay?

How much did you know about Ann Heche before she got with Ellen? As far as self promotion is concerned, that move was gold. Fashionable, even.

I would suppose that being a celebrity would make being gay a lot easier. People (especially those around celebrities) have a tendency to want to suck up. I imagine being John Q. Public makes it a lot more difficult.

 

[C l u t c H 385]

By that definition, there are a lot of men in prison (or the Navy, for that matter) that are gay, even though they never consider sex with men when there are females around. Absent females, lots of men will express their sexuality with males while still on the island. Howeve4r, once they get retruned to a society with females, many of them will focus on the women instead instead.

They're gay.