Gordon Hayward AKA KOBE killer AKA AllSTAR
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Thee Jazz Fan
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Ohhhhhhhhhh it's the other biggest joke! Of course you are coming to AKMVP's aid. Booz, Williams, Memo were all stronger offensive options, they fit the offense better. AK isn't a shooter like Memo or Williams were he wasn't even as good a shooter as Boozer, he wasn't a slasher like Boozer was or Williams or Brewer for that matter, every time he tried the ball would get knocked out of his hands. The best part of his game was the energy he brought putbacks, and in transition. AK was the 4th option on offense for a reason. AK was a me first player with a weak mind. Who cried when things didn't go the way he wanted. AK didn't care what was best for the team, all he cared about was him self, so why would any coach under those circumstances call more plays to him on offense. His drop off in defense because he realized he wasn't more involved in the offense is no excuse for his drop off in every other facet of the game of basketball, don't blame Sloan for AK's bad play, blame the one who deserves the blame AK.
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Not true. He played great for Russia and won gold by being great teammate and sharing the ball with other stars on that team - Holden and Khryapa, he did not need to be the man and take winning shot in final game it was Holden. You AK haters probably never saw him playing for Russia, it would be eye opener how good of a team player AK is.
He was still producing same great numbers in 2006 with Boozer and Memo. Only in 2007 since Sloan reversed back to his old 1 to 4 orriented offense and left AK out of it then his production dropped and all this stupid drama started. I am tired of going all over it again... only blind people can't see that Sloan and Dwill were two most responsible people for it.
AK is the epitome of doing whatever he can to help his team win.
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Sorry but you had very short memory which is blinded by sloanism. What 7 year slump?? - he had 1 year slump when Sloan cut his minutes and Dwill started freezing him form offense and Sloan did nothing about it. I remember numerous games from that season where AK played 15-20min only in and was left on the bench in 4th quarters.. his FG attempts dropped in half.... the game Jazz gave 14 pts lead to Miami in 4th quarter while AK was left on the bench is perfect example how ridiculous Sloan's coaching was. And Sloan never did anything to address it. Did he talk to DWILL? Never! Did he gave AK more minutes? No, did he tweeked Jazz offense? Heck he had no clue how, he admitted it himself. So do not call Sloan generous or that he did something, he failed as coach in handling that situation, there is nothing to talk about it.
Thee Jazz Fan
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Someone please tell me there is an ignore option on Jazzfanz. I'm afraid one of these jokers are going to say something stupid enough to get me to do something that gets me banned.
You mean you are not smart enough to get it.
Sloan was basically calling AK out as a girl. Go ahead and defend it, but you're wrong. I like seeing that quote every time you post, it makes me laugh for a multitude of reasons that include Sloan, AK, and you. You just can't make this stuff up.
There is an ignore option.
I've never used it, but I hear it works and it's da bomb.
Mission Accomplished
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I get AK problem because growing up playing basketball I was a great defender and an effort player. But, my friends didn't really try on the defensive end and they would be the first to chuck up 10 or so shots. It is hard to play your butt off and not even touch the ball on the offensive end.
That being said also a huge problem with Sloan and hopefully Corbin isn't going down this path is you taylor your game plans to your players to hide their weaknesses and show their strengths. Sloan's system only benefited three positions a PG, a big with post up games, and a shooter. That is why AK didn't work when Boozer came in then Boozer needed the touches. AK needs a system with more spontaneity he thrives in chaos that is why he was great on the defensive end. We had chaos with helping the helper and the garbage rotations being drilled into our players.
Ripping on AK is unfair because he was one of the greatest talents to play in a Jazz uniform. But, it is just like the Jake Heaps problems in BYU to get a star you have to make a star.
Good thing we never really got Dominik Wilkinson.
That being said also a huge problem with Sloan and hopefully Corbin isn't going down this path is you taylor your game plans to your players to hide their weaknesses and show their strengths. Sloan's system only benefited three positions a PG, a big with post up games, and a shooter. That is why AK didn't work when Boozer came in then Boozer needed the touches. AK needs a system with more spontaneity he thrives in chaos that is why he was great on the defensive end. We had chaos with helping the helper and the garbage rotations being drilled into our players.
Ripping on AK is unfair because he was one of the greatest talents to play in a Jazz uniform. But, it is just like the Jake Heaps problems in BYU to get a star you have to make a star.
Good thing we never really got Dominik Wilkinson.
MVP
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ROFL. Sloan is failure. He was never able to manage situations with players except by benching them or trading them away.
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The ignore function is the best! It makes posts from the board's biggest ignoramuses fun to read. Check it out:
Brilliant! That's the best point that KOC BEGONE has ever made!
MVP
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If hard working in practice and attitude would would be most important thing for Sloan, Araujo and Koufos would still be playing for us. Instead Koufos was put in doghouse without reason after Boozer came back from injury and never saw the floor. Same thing happened to Araujo, despite them both being praised by Sloan for hard work during practices and being gym rats.
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Holden and Kryapa = NBA all-stars? News to me (and the rest of the developed world).
Just proved my point. AK is only happy when he is THE MAN and refuses to put forth any real effort if he isn't.
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Dude you missing the point. And please do not put words I never said on me. There were not NBA all-stars ( WTF?), they were stars of that Russia team and had same amount of touches if not more then AK.
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NOPE!!
https://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fa/player/p/pid/34251/sid/5169/tid/381/_/2007_EuroBasket/index.html
https://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fa/player/p/pid/24490/sid/5169/tid/381/_//index.html
https://www.fibaeurope.com/default....31379&season=2007&team2ID=381&player2ID=34251
Andrei had more attempts/looks/points/whatever than both.
Nice try though. Its good to know that you draw conclusions like the one I bolded COMPLETELY out of your ***. Your credibility has somehow shrunk even more
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The point is you compared playing with Holden and Kryapa to playing with Williams and Boozer. No comparison there in any way shape or form. No matter how you slice it AK is the hands-down star player of that team. He is the center of that universe. None of the other players on that team can hold a candle to him realistically. But put him with real NBA talent where he has to compete to be one of the 3 of 4 best on the team, and he wilts and cries and quits.
And what dalamon said.
MVP
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I find it funny how you follow my posts and try so hard to prove me wrong... yet fail all the time. I spoke about touches. Not Fg, not points. Holden played more minutes then AK for example, Khryapa had more assists ( so you could make assumption that he was handling ball more then AK right? )... but you obviously did not watch that Eurochampionship so whats the point talking about it with you.
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Lol. So more minutes means that you're more important in a teams offense? Same with "touches"?? Any smart basketball fan knows that if a player has the most field goal attempts on the entire team, it is because the offense is being focused on him. You don't seem to understand this, so I have no point in explaining it any further. The fact that you're completely certain that AK was a third option, or wasn't the leader or cornerstone of the team is quite embarrassing, to say the absolute least.