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GSW Draft Pick Watch

Kenwood said:
Does it? Favors, Kanter and Harris are already a done deal. The only potential difference now is most likely #8-#9 this year vs. maybe #10-#14 next year. Lower pick hurts the value, potentially weaker draft hurts the value, but I don't know if it's enough to materially alter the value of the deal.
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Considering that most players drafted in a given draft bust out, and I really do believe this is a very deep draft and next year's looks poor, I would say the difference between feasibly drafting one of the top 5 or 6 players on the team and a guy that is more likely to not make his next contract (aka, nobody) is pretty huge. Yes, it's speculative, but it's big. Especially since I think the Warriors could be a dark horse team (to make the playoffs, especially with a nice pick this year) next year.
 
I think there is a better chance of a team jumping them and dropping back than there is them staying ahead of the other teams. I just hope they win another game to make that a feasible possibility. Detroit has passed already. Tor and NJ play each other, so one of those two will pass. Best case scenario without a win is tied with NJ or Tor for 6/7 hoping for a generous coin toss PLUS a team jumping them in the lottery. Roughly a 15 % chance. Another win likely leaves them tied with Tor/NJ/Det for 7/8 hoping for a coin toss OR a team jumping them in the lottery, roughly a 65 % chance.

Then again, who knows what teams will be trying the last 1-2 games of the season to screw this all up. At least NJ plays Tor, so it won't effect that game.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Considering that most players drafted in a given draft bust out, and I really do believe this is a very deep draft and next year's looks poor, I would say the difference between feasibly drafting one of the top 5 or 6 players on the team and a guy that is more likely to not make his next contract (aka, nobody) is pretty huge. Yes, it's speculative, but it's big. Especially since I think the Warriors could be a dark horse team (to make the playoffs, especially with a nice pick this year) next year.
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Absolutely it has a huge effect on the value from this pick, I just don't think it has a huge affect on the overall return from the Deron trade, which is how I read your original statement. I think you said "swing" the value of the trade, which I took to mean that the Jazz win or lose the trade based on the outcome of this pick. Maybe I misread that.

Option 1: Harris, Favors, Kanter, 2012 #8 pick
Option 2: Harris, Favors, Kanter, 2013 #14 pick
Obviously I would prefer option 1, but I don't think that winning/losing the trade hinges on this pick.
 
Also, keep in mind that in addition to Harris, Favors, the pick that got us Kanter, and the pending Golden State Pick, the Jazz also got $3 million all for Deron.
 
The GS pick was good as gone when the owner decided to go in tank mode. They traded their best player for guys who are hurt. They are holding out Curry and then a little bad luck (GS considers it good) a few more players get hurt. GS might be pick top 5 or better when this is all said and done.
 
cowhide said:
The GS pick was good as gone when the owner decided to go in tank mode. They traded their best player for guys who are hurt. They are holding out Curry and then a little bad luck (GS considers it good) a few more players get hurt. GS might be pick top 5 or better when this is all said and done.
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In my opinion they only way they got top 5 is if they win the lottery. I say they finish 6-8.
 
zbone said:
No. We would miss playoffs with Deron as well.
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We got NJ's 2011 lottery pick in the Deron trade. NJ had the 6th worst record in 2011 but it moved up to 3 in the lottery. We also received the 12 (our own) in the 2011 draft (Alec Burks).
 
kennykyle said:
Also if a team behind them wins in the lottery they would be pushed back, which happens pretty often.
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Utah misses the playoffs and lands the #2 pick which they turn in Gilchrist. Then the 8th pick (8th because we knocked them down a pick which serves them right for tanking) we land who...?
 
Stoked said:
Utah misses the playoffs and lands the #2 pick which they turn in Gilchrist. Then the 8th pick (8th because we knocked them down a pick which serves them right for tanking) we land who...?
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That's funny.

The obvious answer is the Jazz trade #2 and #8 for Kyrie Irving. While we're playing insane hypotheticals, let's go and grab Lebron for our 2nd rounder.
 
NUMBERICA said:
That's funny.

The obvious answer is the Jazz trade #2 and #8 for Kyrie Irving. While we're playing insane hypotheticals, let's go and grab Lebron for our 2nd rounder.
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You shut your mouth when you're talking to me!
 
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