Happy No Collusion Day Everyone
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reignman40
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The media on the left has had one since 2015, consult as doctor if it lasts longer than 4 years.. That is all they talk about, does CNN even cover news or whats happening anymore? They made someone like me who did choose the lesser of two evils on election day, actually like him more and even come to his defense just by how irrational they are.
Get ready for 4 more years of Trump because the Dems have some real winners running this time. Beto, with his poems of running over children to cows buffing his balls. To pulling baby poop out of a diaper, placing it in a bowl and telling his wife its avocado. Hickenlooper, taking his mom to an X rated movie. And all the other bat **** crazy socialists finally taking off the mask, take your pick.
Alfalfa
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You don't need to quote me to do your party cheerleading. I don't really know much about what Dems are running, nor do I care. And I know it's perfectly possible Trump wins again. Duh!
Game6Conley
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I honestly thought this was gonna all play out like the Departed, with Trump reprising Matt Damon's role and Mueller as Marky Mark Wahlberg.
That's illegal under what law? She won more votes than any other candidate. Her main rival had only joined the Democratic party in December 2015. You can't expect party machinery to support an outsider.
Defrauded them of what?
So, she's too much like Trump? Why do you think it's illegal to act like Donald Trump?
The set of "it bothers me" is different from the set of "dirtier than hacking an opponent". I'm still waiting to hear something in the latter set.
Evidence indicate otherwise.
The media hyped this story for the better part of two years almost like it was the next Watergate, and it's becoming apparent that there was very little substance behind it. In the past, reporters were expected to do their own research and stand by it, not just spin tales.
These media are a complete disgrace.
There were many indictments.
NEWS FLASH! The Russians interfered in our Presidential election.
Trump wanted to ignore that. Why? Because of the only thing that drives him at all... his ego.
So you're cool that:
1 -- Russia interfered in our election because they believed it was better for them and worse for us if Trump was our President.
2 -- Trump didn't want anyone to talk about or acknowledge Russian interference because it would take away from the glory of his mighty victory of the evil gremlin Hillary Clinton.
3 -- Trump called a true American hero disgusting names and said he had assembled a team of "angry Democrats" to conduct a witch hunt, when that man, Muller (a Republican), has served this nation his entire life, has taken wounds from enemy fire to save those who served under him, has NEVER acted contrary to the highest standards of dignity... and when that man ****ing exonerated him and did not press frivolous charges, or try to unnecessarily defame Trump?
There was a valid reason for the investigation. Barr said as much in his brief. Barr said explicitly that Muller NEVER went beyond the scope of the investigation, NEVER even asked to do anything or look into anything beyond what he was tasked to investigate.
Muller had NO personal vendetta. Muller is the best of us. The very best of us.
The Republicans, and Trump supporters in particular have soiled themselves and stink of it badly, in their criticisms of a great American.
You should acknowledge your shame. You should ask for forgiveness.
My shame? Ask for forgiveness? Forgiveness for what and from whom? Are you insane?
1 -- The allegation that Russian 'interference' in the election in the form of web bots on Facebook and other social media had a material impact on the vote is conjecture at best. The leaks about Hillary to Wikileaks came from multiple sources, including primarily non-Russian sources. Has anyone been pursued in relation to those leaks as a breach of security? Would attacking the messenger negate the meaning of importance of the information that was leaked? Were Comey's statements about Hillary before the election the doing of Donald Trump?
2 -- Your first premise is specious, making your second meaningless. Hillary underperformed and lost the election due to having a weak identity and message beyond that of the political establishment she served and for having a sordid past with the Clinton Foundation. Everyone knows it, whether they dare to report about it or not. That Trump upset the pundits and the political establishment on both sides of the aisle is remarkable. He certainly has nothing to apologize for in relation to getting elected. He won a fair election by a compelling electoral majority. As shocking as that may seem to some, it's reality.
3 -- Trump despised the entire investigation and insinuation of a tampered election and used strong language. Was he attacking Mueller specifically, or the two-year investigation that bore his name?
In any case, my post was to criticize the corporate media whose behavior has fallen far short of professional standards. You tried to steer my discussion a different direction. You don't like Trump and ostensibly the political disruption he represents. You're entitled to your opinion. Politically speaking, you're just on a losing streak.
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Trump is embarrassing. DNC is embarrassing.
I only lean conservative for the sake of caution. We took this country by force for the sake of democracy... I'm all in. I want something more centrist without leaving core capitalistic principals... which are critical to even have a conversation about the ...... money.
I only lean conservative for the sake of caution. We took this country by force for the sake of democracy... I'm all in. I want something more centrist without leaving core capitalistic principals... which are critical to even have a conversation about the ...... money.
Stars Fan
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We still have yet to see the report or what is actually in it. What we have is a political appointee telling us to "move on, there is nothing to see here." I think we have a right to see what is in the report of the investigation that took those two years.
Just because he wasn't caught with his hand in the cookie jar doesn't mean Trump hasn't been "taking the cookies." I still want an intelligence/ counter- intelligence assessment of the President's actions and associations with Russia. Determining that Trump didn't collude with the Russian efforts to sway the election in his favor doesn't explain why they preferred Trump over Clinton in the first place. Nor does it explain the embarrassing news conference in Helsinki (don't tell me anyone buys the "would, wouldn't" story), nor the lying about his efforts to build a Trump tower in Moscow, or the hundreds of other questionable contacts and actions.
I'm actually glad there wasn't collusion proven. But he is not exonerated in my book until there is that counter- intel assessment done.
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You know what, all Trump supporters have to celebrate is the fact that Trump is probably not a felon. Which is what we learned this week.
Next up will be a celebration that he pronounced every word in a sentence correctly.
Then a special day for his not picking his nose in public.
Party on, dude!
Joe Bagadonuts
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I've said from the beginning of the Trump candidacy that his opponents would be wise to focus their efforts on criticizing the things that they can factually prove about him. Unfortunately for them, it gives Trump major victories when it becomes clear that his opponents play even more loosely with the facts than he does. As a result of the recent massive media malpractice he is going to be able to beat the drum even more loudly over his fake news mantra. Those of you who think he has no right to do so are not paying any attention. There now exist droves upon droves of video evidence that large swaths of the media bear so much animosity toward the president that they are willing to perpetuate nearly any unsubstantiated lie they can come up with about him or his supporters. Their behavior is an absolute embarrassment and far beneath the role of journalism.
I am curious what people like @Red who have told us repeatedly how shameful it is for Trump to slam the media the way he does feel about this question: If the media was spreading fake news about you, would you have the right to say so?
I am curious what people like @Red who have told us repeatedly how shameful it is for Trump to slam the media the way he does feel about this question: If the media was spreading fake news about you, would you have the right to say so?
Red
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I'll never find the comment at this point, but I mentioned in one of the threads, most likely the "Trump fires Comey" thread that the two possible explainations for Trump's actions toward the Mueller report could be interpreted as a guilty man acting guilty, or an innocent man angry at being cast as guilty. So I feel I was quite aware of the latter possibility, which of course can lead to obstruction of justice in the absence of an underlying crime. The AG disagrees that that can be the case.
Interestingly, I saw a poll this morning claiming 48% of Americans still believe Trump "colluded". When all is said and done, if the truth ever does emerge, we will learn why Trump is so differential toward Putin. I have not forgotten how, as far as I'm concerned, he shamed himself in Helsinki. As well, not allowing note taking, or not allowing notes to be shown, from his meetings with Putin.
Answering your question directly, I should think I would stand up for myself. But it's not me. It's Trump and his many associates who lied about Russia at every single turn. Repeatedly, and involving quite a few members of both the campaign and administration. I would like an explanation for all that lying. Usually, I would interpret all that lying about Russia contacts as an indication of wishing to keep a cover on something. If not collusion, then what exactly?
We will likely see an aggressive increase in Trump's "the mainstream media is the enemy of the people" refrain. I worry about our future at this point, because the political warfare between now and the 2020 election will be like nothing we have ever seen. And I expect a vengeful Trump, what I called Trump 2.0, to be something highly damaging to our body politic. I still fully support the need for a counterintelligence operation having been launched. Trump's "full exoneration" claim simply does not cut it for me, but he may have the momentum to effectively use it to bludgeon the resistance to his administration.
Red
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I would say this. I believe, be it two years, be it six years, that the Trump presidency will not end well. Whether that means for Trump, or for the United States, or both, we'll see. I do expect he will continue to promote a foreign policy that supports the goals of Putin's criminal enterprise, an enterprise otherwise known as the Russian state. Since Russia's foreign policy goals now combines the so-called "active measures" from the Cold War era, in conjunction with the new cyber warfare, with the goal of undermining all Western liberal democracies from within, then I will continue to wonder whose side Donald Trump is actually on. And this would be the case, from my own perspective, regardless of the Mueller report, which I hope to see and read someday.
Joe Bagadonuts
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I don't think I follow the news as closely as you, but I could swear that Trump has increased sanctions on Russia and strongly rebuked them for aggressive military actions. I know that he accepted Putin's claims at a conference but don't you think that could be a part of a bigger picture of trying to develop a relationship with him? I am unaware of anything that Trump has done to benefit Russia or undermine America in that regard, though I hear the anti-Trump crowd frequently suggesting that he has.
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Hmmmm. I wonder why?
Maybe cause our president is a giant douchebag?
Be less of a douchebag and the media would treat you different. As long as he acts like a douche I want the media to go after him for everything that they can.
It's alarming to me that so many people are ok with the county being represented by a giant douchebag.
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Jazzta
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I think Mueller did a good job and didn't bend to the pressure from the Dems to release any kind of information that involves Trump directly.
This doesn't mean that there weren't other people in his surroundings involved with Russia, i.e. Manafort.
Trump however brought this whole investigation towards him being the focal point and now you have the die hard Trump supporters boasting about how he wasn't colluding with Russia when that wasn't even what the investigation was all about. It wasn't about Trump himself colluding with Russia but about any member in his cabinet/campaign staff colluding with Russia. This is just another example of Trump's egomaniac persona.
The investigation is far from over however and it is yet to be seen if other crimes will arise from it.
This doesn't mean that there weren't other people in his surroundings involved with Russia, i.e. Manafort.
Trump however brought this whole investigation towards him being the focal point and now you have the die hard Trump supporters boasting about how he wasn't colluding with Russia when that wasn't even what the investigation was all about. It wasn't about Trump himself colluding with Russia but about any member in his cabinet/campaign staff colluding with Russia. This is just another example of Trump's egomaniac persona.
The investigation is far from over however and it is yet to be seen if other crimes will arise from it.
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Joe Bagadonuts
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It seems to me that the media treats conservatives like Romney in similar ways, but unlike Trump, Romney chose to take the high road and was squashed in the process. The whole "binders full of women" thing, for instance. Conservatives have been very frustrated by they way their leadership has laid down and taken it when the media steamrolls them. That is the appeal to Trump. Yeah, he's a douche, but amazingly he is standing up for conservative principles. I've never seen anyone willing to endure so much abuse, or so fueled by chaos. I don't like him and did not vote for him, but I like the vast majority of his policies.