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How do we fix this team?

Do we have cap room to give Tobias Harris the max (or close to it) and sign Rozier for like 15/million a year? Because that's what I would do.
 
David Stern said:
Do we have cap room to give Tobias Harris the max (or close to it) and sign Rozier for like 15/million a year? Because that's what I would do.
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If we renounce all our free agents (Rubio, Burks, Sefelosha, Udoh) and don't pick up Favors option we would have plenty of cap space to do this. Although I highly doubt Harris leaves the Clippers.
 
Jingled said:
If we renounce all our free agents (Rubio, Burks, Sefelosha, Udoh) and don't pick up Favors option we would have plenty of cap space to do this. Although I highly doubt Harris leaves the Clippers.
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I don’t think we have that money... I think Tobias can get the max that’s starts at 32-33M. I think most we can clear is 43m ish with caphold a for roster spots and our first round pick and such.
 
NUMBERICA said:
But part of that is a serious shakeup in the main units. We can still only play five at a time, obviously, so it's not just about acquiring guys, it's about what the guys on the floor can AND CAN'T do that dictate how all of this works.

Neither Rubio or Favors provide anything the Jazz are missing right now. Elaborate offenses are great at masking deficiencies of skill, but only if the shots go in. I'm fine with an entire offense of Gobert-whoever PnRs, attacking mismatches, and Mitchell rushing the rim with kick-out options. That's basically all Houston did last year (+ a very good defense).
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Best post I've read here in a long while. I'm looking for something to nitpick but all I can find is a lack of Gobert love in your previous post.
 
Sugarless said:
The Jazz were 6-10 exactly a year ago. They're now 8-8.

They averaged just 99.0 PPG, 19.6 APG and 16.4 TOPG. They're at 106.8 PPG with 23.2 APG and 15.4 TOPG so far this season, despite being terrible from the line (71% to 83% last season), which has also cost them a couple of games. They could easily be 10-6 if they had just made their FTs.

Relative to the rest of the league, they were 26th in ORTG and 9th in DRTG with a -2.9 NETRTG whereas they're 22nd and 14th now with a -1.1 NETRTG, and that's including the 50-point dud against the Mavs that's had a strong impact due to the small sample size.

This board was going nuts a year ago, at such an early point of the season people were questioning Mitchell, Rubio, Ingles, Gobert, the FO and even Snyder... And you could read threads titled "Trade Gobert", "We Suck", "It's time for a true direction", "Bring back the triple wing and bring Rubio off the bench", "All-in for the tank" and of course "Central Tank Command: the official thread", which was already 13 pages long. Fast forward two months into mid January and threads were even worse. Fast forward a couple more weeks and people were starting to hop on the playoff bandwagon and singing Rudy, Rubio and Mitchell's praises, saying "I'm sorry" and "I'm so happy to be eating crow".

Stop whining, have some patience, and f***ing learn from the past. The Jazz are in a better position than they were a year ago, they're adapting to the new defensive rules, they're healthier and they're better pretty much across the board. They may ultimately fall out of the playoffs... or they may end up getting HCA just as easily, just like any team in the conference other than the Warriors, the Rockets (another fanbase that was freaking out stupidly 10 days ago) or the bottom feeders. They are not a championship contender (you could say no one is these days except for the All-NBA team playing in GS), but these guys were great on the second half of last season and they made some noise in the playoffs before Ricky got injured. Give them time, let them find their groove, deal with the bad nights and celebrate the good ones, and let's see where the team is come the All-Star break.
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If Dennis Lindsey decides to go through the entire offseason and doesnt make one adjustment to this team by the trade deadline then it will be a montrosity.
 
I honestly wouldn't tinker too much with the current roster. I think DL will look for potential changes, but he isn't going to give terry rozier 15mil...lol....rozier is so over-hyped im sorry, but he's not all that.
 
David Stern said:
Do we have cap room to give Tobias Harris the max (or close to it) and sign Rozier for like 15/million a year? Because that's what I would do.
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The Salary Cap for 2019-20 will be $109 million (up $7 million from this year). The luxury tax will be $134 million (up $8 million from this year). https://sports.yahoo.com/report-nba-sets-salary-cap-2019-20-2020-21-seasons-020033583.html

For 2019-20, we have the following contracts:
Gobert $25
Favors $16.9 (team option)
Ingles $12
Exum $9.6
Crowder $7.8
Mitchell $3.6
Allen $2.5
Bradley $2
Neto $2 (team option)
Niang $1.6 (team option)
O'Neale $1.6 (team option)
Draft pick cap hold $2
TOTAL: $87 million (if we picked up all team options)
Rubio $22.5 cap hold
Burks $17.3 cap hold
Thabo $6.8 cap hold
Udoh $4.4 cap hold
The most cap space we could possibly have available is $65 million if we sent all team option guys packing and renounced all 4 unrestricted free agents.
I'm going to say that we keep Niang and O'Neale because they are cheap salary development players.
So I'll say we have $68 for 10 players (9 and the draft pick hold).

So to answer your question, we could give Tobias Harris the full max at $32.7 million which puts us at around $100. After that, we would have around $9 million to spend on free agents. If we were to find a way to dump Bradley or if we let Niang and/or O'Neale go, we could have enough to give Rozier $12-15.

I would love to get Harris, but LA isn't letting go unless they get two monster names. That ain't happening so Harris isn't going anywhere.

People soon forget how amazing Rozier was with the Celtics to end last season and through the playoffs. In 21 playoff games as the starting PG, he played 30mpg shooting 39.4% from 3, getting 14.5ppg, 5.2rpg and 4.2apg. He always plays good defense. As Mitchell evolves, DM is going to get more of the ball to run the offense. We need a guy who can play off him as much as run the offense. Rozier fits that mold as well as anybody who is a realistic target this summer. Added Bonus - for as much as Donovan loves Rubio, DM would probably love to have his fellow Louisville alum with him in Utah.
 
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Maybe trade for Kevin Love or John Wall if you're willing to restructure things in the next 2-3 years or pay tax.

If not, trade Rubio for a different PG that makes sense with this team.
 
If Rubio would settle for a back-up role and less money, I think we should keep him. The incentive for him is being part of a championship team that this would allow the Jazz to be.
 
If it was any other place than LA Harris would be their priority one in the off-season. But the Clips have a ton of cap space next year and will be in the conversation for virtually every marquee FA name. So anything is possible.

If not Nikola is a more than a decent consolation prize.

Jazz need to land one of these two guys - if not and instead preach the advantages of picking up Taj Gibson on a two year deal with a team option then this FO goes right back into suspect mode.
 
I don't know how we fix things... everything just seems so damn hard for us right now. We aren't playing with consistent effort of the two years prior. It's a bit disconcerting.
 
For the non-trade category. Quin could afford to tighten up the rotation a bit, our bench has not played well (outside of Crowder who should probably be starting). We're one of the few teams that seems to give 10+ guys real run every night and we don't really need to. It's been a bit tricky with some injuries/suspensions to start the season, but it's something to look at going forward.

The starters + Crowder absorb most minutes, and we really only need 2-3 guards/wings after that. Burks has played the best so far and Exum's been alright.
 
Could it be that we are overachieving because of our coaching staff, and that is why when we have an off-game, we are blown out, because our talent level is marginal?
 
I have two thoughts, the first (and most significant) is we need to establish a team identify. Second, I think we need to take AB out of the rotation.

Last year there was a clear formula on how we would win games. Even casual fans knew what the game plan was (to be elite on defense). Even the offense was designed to support the identify (move the ball so that there was defensive buy-in, make the other team work the entire shot clock, slow the game down to set up the defense). Every player understood the approach and playing time was based on contributing to the defense. Having a clear identify would help coaches communicate to players their role and guide them to excel in it.

Relatedly, this year the team identity seems to be more focused on offense than defense (high lobs, "smarter" shot selection/lots of 3 balls, etc.). Given this shift in identity, it doesn't surprise me that the Favors/Gobert lineup is struggling. They were never going to be good on offense, but really hit the stride when focused on defense.

As for AB, I think he is a decent player, but he just doesn't seem to fit in with the rest of the system. I sometimes see him come in the game and do well, but rarely see him come in the game and see the system/other players do better. The idea of shortening the rotation was floated earlier, I would start with his minutes.
 
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Hey, I have an idea...let's start a GoFundMe to raise enough cash for Dennis to spend on a free agent. It's clear the Jazz must be close to bankruptcy. Utah is again in the bottom half of the league in terms of payroll. C'mon you guys, buy jerseys, spend hundreds of dollars at games. Save the team!
 
They’ll work it out. I am only alarmed at the lack of cohesion and communication defensively that has led to way too many breakdowns and easy baskets that didn’t happen last year. By jan / feb we’ll be fine but it might get uglier first
 
Douchebag K said:
They’ll work it out. I am only alarmed at the lack of cohesion and communication defensively that has led to way too many breakdowns and easy baskets that didn’t happen last year. By jan / feb we’ll be fine but it might get uglier first
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The rare salient point
 
Sugarless said:
The Jazz were 6-10 exactly a year ago. They're now 8-8.

They averaged just 99.0 PPG, 19.6 APG and 16.4 TOPG. They're at 106.8 PPG with 23.2 APG and 15.4 TOPG so far this season, despite being terrible from the line (71% to 83% last season), which has also cost them a couple of games. They could easily be 10-6 if they had just made their FTs.

Relative to the rest of the league, they were 26th in ORTG and 9th in DRTG with a -2.9 NETRTG whereas they're 22nd and 14th now with a -1.1 NETRTG, and that's including the 50-point dud against the Mavs that's had a strong impact due to the small sample size.

This board was going nuts a year ago, at such an early point of the season people were questioning Mitchell, Rubio, Ingles, Gobert, the FO and even Snyder... And you could read threads titled "Trade Gobert", "We Suck", "It's time for a true direction", "Bring back the triple wing and bring Rubio off the bench", "All-in for the tank" and of course "Central Tank Command: the official thread", which was already 13 pages long. Fast forward two months into mid January and threads were even worse. Fast forward a couple more weeks and people were starting to hop on the playoff bandwagon and singing Rudy, Rubio and Mitchell's praises, saying "I'm sorry" and "I'm so happy to be eating crow".

Stop whining, have some patience, and f***ing learn from the past. The Jazz are in a better position than they were a year ago, they're adapting to the new defensive rules, they're healthier and they're better pretty much across the board. They may ultimately fall out of the playoffs... or they may end up getting HCA just as easily, just like any team in the conference other than the Warriors, the Rockets (another fanbase that was freaking out stupidly 10 days ago) or the bottom feeders. They are not a championship contender (you could say no one is these days except for the All-NBA team playing in GS), but these guys were great on the second half of last season and they made some noise in the playoffs before Ricky got injured. Give them time, let them find their groove, deal with the bad nights and celebrate the good ones, and let's see where the team is come the All-Star break.
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When was I whining? I was asking questions and was curious about others opinions. That is all. I think it's fair to ask these questions after a 50 point L. I think that you brought up some interesting points though.
 
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