Hopper
Banned
Hey is my avatar homophobic?
I aint tryin to rat ya out, or nuthin, eh, Sloanie, but, since ya done axxed, then, hell, yeah.
It's, like, the homophobiciest, eh?
Hey is my avatar homophobic?
Then any claim that there are 50,000,000 christians in the world (or whatever number is claimed, I'm just makin that up) is utterly false. The existence of 50,000,000 people with religious beliefs merely proves that there are 50,000,000 different religions in the world.
The fact that I don't feel like addressing the rest of the selective response you made in your last post does not mean that I agree with it.
Word choice does not dictate the substance or truth of a situation.
Ideally the substance or truth of a situation would naturally generate an honest and appropriate choice of words to describe it. Don't always happen, and I tend to lose interest when people think they can dictate substance with word choice.
Eric, lemme ax ya a question, eh? Let's take two differing views, to wit:
1. The practice of homosexuality is tasteful, and
2. The practce homosexuality is distasteful.
Do you consider yourself to be "tolerant" of view #2?
Using your seemingly preferred authority of the American Heritage Dictionary, "tolerant" means "Inclined to tolerate the beliefs, practices, or traits of others; forbearing," whereas "intolerant" means "not tolerant."
"Tolerate," as a verb, is defined by this source as:
Do you consider yourself "tolerant" of (i.e., willing to tolerate) view #2?
- To allow without prohibiting or opposing; permit.
- To recognize and respect (the rights, beliefs, or practices of others).
- To put up with; endure.
Or do you feel compelled to "prohibit" or "oppose" any belief that homosexuality is "distasteful?'
Your position being that, since Russian Orthodox churches, Southern Baptist churches, and the Jehovah's Witnesses are all Christian, they are all the same religion? My interpretation is that "Christian" covers a whole group of different religions (much the same way "Jewish", "Islamic", "Bhuddist", and "Hindi" do).
By the way, I said "two different churches express different official religious beliefs", not different people express different beliefs.
Slurs? Who said anything about "slurs?" Is noting that a player is black a "slur?" Is expressing a preference for "caucasian culture" over "mongoloid culture," or vice versa, a "slur?"One Brow said:...is there a reason that, in this forum, homosexual slurs deserve to be tolerated more than racial slurs?
One Brow said:I feel free to disagree. I don't believe that rises to "oppose" in the sense of this definition, which would seem to require some sort of official opposition.
One Brow said:I ask you: is the expression of disapproval on a message an act of intolerance?
i just wanna say that "some" (not namin' names, just "some") might find Hopper's use of the term "tasteful" in this context to be rather "distasteful"
or a wee bit ironic...
that's all
Word meaning are dependent on what people consider to be basic truths. So, when two people have different views of basic truths, they tend to assign the meanings of words differently, even each of them is generating their word choice honestly and appropriately.
If each group was a "different religion" then they wouldn't all be "Christian."
Yeah, I know you said that. That's wrong, to begin with.
Even if it was correct, how could you glibly assert that all white power splinter groups are "different religions?"
Where are the "official" religious beliefs of these groups expressed?
What are they?
If you don't know, how could you, by your own criterion, assert that they are "different" religions?
Slurs? Who said anything about "slurs?" Is noting that a player is black a "slur?" Is expressing a preference for "caucasian culture" over "mongoloid culture," or vice versa, a "slur?"
The moderating staff recently reached a consensus that going forward we will not be as tolerant of homosexual slurs as we have been in the past.
That said, do you consider yourself "tolerant" of the belief that homosexual practices are distasteful? Or do you believe the expression of such an opinion should be prohibited?
If they did, you might need as many dictionaries and there are people.
So, now, black means "blue" in my book.
"Defining" words in accordance with one's subjective attitude toward, or evaluation of, the person, place, or thing being referred to is, for me, the ultimate in abuse of language.
It is a waste of time to attempt to persuade, reason with, or even "discuss" things with such people in any way that is meaningful or satisfying.
If you really care, do the research.
Has anyone yet received a warning or an infraction for identifying an openly homosexual person as gay, or for saying that they prefer not to be involved in a gay festival? If not, is there any way that such a question is significant in a discussion of board policy?...So, the precise policy you are trying to "clarify" mentioned slurs. I guess you forgot.
That said, are you trying to imply that you have "done the research" about how these supposedly "different relgions" vary from each other in their "official" pronouncements?
I have no idea what Bum intended by this. According to this own explicit statements, he himself is gay (or bi-sexual).
You have claimed that the word "gay" is rude and should be prohibited, as I understand you, at least if it is used in any ense that someone could possibly interpret as suggesting, directly or indirectly, that homosexuality is "distasteful."
The implication, at least to me, is that merely being gay is distasteful.
One Brow said:So it's rudeness directed at an entire group of people, for no reason other than general distaste.
One Brow said:No. I have said that "gay" is used as an indication of dislike or distatse for things that are not related to being homosexual, and the reason for this usage is the association of the word with homosexuals. That is why the usage is a slur.
Hopper said:That said, do you consider yourself "tolerant" of the belief that homosexual practices are distasteful? Or do you believe the expression of such an opinion should be prohibited?
Yes. I believe a person should be free to say that they don't want to date the same sex (or a different sex), or that they are more comfortable in the company of people of their own religion (or different religions), similarly colored skin (or differently colored skin), or anything else. Taste is an inherently personal issue, which does not offer judgment. As a personal example, I've said many times that having sex with men has no appeal for me at all. No one ever claimed such a comment was homophobic.
No. I have said that "gay" is used as an indication of dislike or distatse for things that are not related to being homosexual, and the reason for this usage is the association of the word with homosexuals. That is why the usage is a slur.
Is it safe to assume that you are equally offended by terms such as "ghetto" and "redneck" as these would also be slurs against groups of people that society typically finds distasteful?
The "usage" of the word "gay" is a "slur" if used to express distaste, right?
I aint figured out yet zakly how that fits in with this here:
Is it safe to assume that you are equally offended by terms such as "ghetto" and "redneck" as these would also be slurs against groups of people that society typically finds distasteful?
seems to me the more up-to-date term is "projects" at least around here
...the two paragraphs are not in conflict.
One Brow said:The implication, at least to me, is that merely being gay is distasteful.
Hopper said:[Eric] do you consider yourself "tolerant" of the belief that homosexual practices are distasteful?
One Brow said:Yes.