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If the Jazz are blown out tonight...

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Mr. McGibblets said:
This is pure speculation. There is no evidence that the Jazz turned down an offer for Bledsoe. Provide some non Bleacher Report links. Sterling loved Bledsoe and almost turned down the Reddick deal because he loved Bledsoe. But he was going to trade him for some expiring contracts? Come on...



You don't know what they did or tried to do. The Harden rumors came from some Zach Lowe tweets, but you are extrapolating a lot without much in support of your assertions.

And then you mention Howard as a possibility? Lol. Ok.

If only you were the GM - we'd have harden, Bledsoe, Dwight Howard, and probably Lebron next summer.
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Absolutely it's speculation. That what this whole entire board is. What if's here, what if's there. That's why there is debate.

The point is this: That Jazz, ever since they decided split second to trade Deron, haven't had a plan until this year. They had better not **** up that plan by dumping Corbin right now. They have had many opportunities to get better, and haven't done anything (Harden, for example. The Jazz could have offered a much better deal than Houston and didn't do it. And who cares where Harden wanted to go, he was a RFA).

I am ok with sucking this year. I have been asking for this since before the strike. BUT, the Jazz had better not get cold feet because some less intelligent fans are mad we are losing. If the Jazz come away with Wiggins/Randle/Parker/Exum (sp?) then it was all worth it. If they sell out, win a couple more games and end up with the 8th pick....Then they just wasted the last four years.
 
Eenie-Meenie said:
30? At the rate we're going, we'll be lucky to win 20, especially if Corbin remains as the coach.
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All the more reason to keep Corbin.

Funny, after the all-star break I was screaming from the rooftops to fire Corbin and make Horny the interm-head coach...now all I want is for the Jazz to not fire Corbin. Ha ha.
 
green said:
Absolutely it's speculation. That what this whole entire board is. What if's here, what if's there. That's why there is debate.

The point is this: That Jazz, ever since they decided split second to trade Deron, haven't had a plan until this year. They had better not **** up that plan by dumping Corbin right now. They have had many opportunities to get better, and haven't done anything (Harden, for example. The Jazz could have offered a much better deal than Houston and didn't do it. And who cares where Harden wanted to go, he was a RFA).

I am ok with sucking this year. I have been asking for this since before the strike. BUT, the Jazz had better not get cold feet because some less intelligent fans are mad we are losing. If the Jazz come away with Wiggins/Randle/Parker/Exum (sp?) then it was all worth it. If they sell out, win a couple more games and end up with the 8th pick....Then they just wasted the last four years.
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It's hard to separate speculation from assertions of fact in your posts.
 
GVC said:
Probably worth pointing out that we are comparing per-48 minutes averages between an entire season-- and 6 games
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Fixed. We should hold off the analytics when the season isn't even 2 weeks in.
 
Also last years starting Five had a bench that was good and better than most..., So when starts entered back in the game usually it was still a game!!

Our current starters have no bench to help them out!!!!
 
green said:
So, are you saying the Jazz couldn't have offered more than Houston? Kevin Martin, Lamb and two firsts?

You think Kanter, Burks and Shabazz couldn't get it done?
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Nope. Not what I said at all. What I'm saying is we don't know what was offered. Maybe Utah did offer more and tried to get Harden. Maybe OKC didn't want to trade him within the division. Maybe OKC wanted a proven scorer to replace Harden (evidenced by Martin) which the Jazz didn't have.

Shabazz was slotted to go much higher in the draft than a Jazz pick would have been when the Harden trade happened. Kanter is great, but they were anticipating going against LA and their big front line and already had Perkins and Ibaka - proven defenders. I don't see how Kanter would have fit their team better than another scoring guard at the time. And burks was too unproven and young to be a better option than Martin at the time. And the Jazz picks weren't likely as alluring as the unprotected Toronto pick they got.

I don't think the Harden trade as great and I think our package would have been better for them in hindsight, but I don't believe OKC liked what we had to offer better than Houston. So acting like it was the jazz that rejected a Harden or Bledsoe trade or even refused to discuss parameters just sounds a silly to me.
 
fufo said:
Enes is better than Jonas. They know each other very well and Enes schooled Jonas badly couple of times in youth championships.
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I would agree that he WAS better then Jonas in 2009 U-18. And it was one game he badly dominated him, other game was a basically a tie ( 20pts 7/8 fg vs 22pts 8/16fg ). JV was voted by European experts as best young player of Europe in 2011 and 2012, both times ahead of Kanter. https://www.fibaeurope.com/cid_vJpw...id_MUMtgYLNGw6ts8a4RCdLp3.articleMode_on.html.
They are quite different players now though, so not that easy to say who is better and who is not. Kanter is off to a better start this season, way more minutes and higher usage rate, but it has been only 6 games so far. In any way it will be interesting to see how they both look today.
 
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