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So, let's say it does go down without a PG discount. You lose a lot of depth and now you're forced to play 'Rockets ball' in a way. Capela = Rudy (a traditional center that plays inside the arc) and 4 perimeter guys.

You absolutely must have an upgrade defensively if you want to play that way and PG fits that. If you have 4 guys on the outside that can mostly stay in front of their guys without having Rudy play 2 on 1 (like the Rockets series) you've got a much better chance. For the record, I'd still take Ricky over Dante. Dude just has the ability to play within his game more often than Dante right now.
 
I have 0 doubts in this organization's ability to dig out diamonds in the rough to satisfy depth. Hell, there was already an excess of it to the point that jettisoning the players necessary to pay Paul George still leaves you with

Rubio/Mitchell
Mitchell/O' Neale
George and Ingles/"/Crowder
Ingles and George/"/Crowder
Gobert/Bradley?/Crowder

Plus whoever they can find out there. Centers and point guards are abundant on the market right now, but they have the multi-positional/versatile wings which are tougher to find.

The other scenario is the opt-in-and-trade scenario which would make it easier.

I would really like to keep that 1st rounder but that probably has to go out the window to get George, which you obviously do.
 
I wonder if he really knows the implications or if he’s just having fun.

Like does he know Favors and Exum (and Thabo, and Jonas, and Epke) are gone if PG comes? Or do they never think it through that much?

Are you saying you would not give up all of them for George?
 
On offense, when the ball goes to Rudy, I never think, yeah, he’s gonna score. I doubt the defense does either. That’s an issue in so much as it limits us.

K but when he sets a pick and starts rolling to the rim all 5 guys on the court take note and guys shift accordingly... offense isn’t all about going and getting your own buckets.
 
i guess the question is, is it better to be elite defensively and passable offensively? or elite offensively and passable defensively. Seems like we've been recruiting the former while much the of the NBA has been seeking the latter.

Problem is GS is elite at both. We can be elite with Rudy and in fact I think he contributes quite a bit to our offense. We have clear upgrades we can make to get more shooting and playmaking at other positions.
 
I guess I just wish I saw Rudy develop his offense even a little bit so far as scoring goes. He’s obviously improved from the free throw line but he’s not improved at all beyond that.

Wrong. Rudy has clearly developed his offensive skills every single season. I don't doubt he'll be better next season.
 
K but when he sets a pick and starts rolling to the rim all 5 guys on the court take note and guys shift accordingly... offense isn’t all about going and getting your own buckets.

Meh.

He scored 5.4 points per game last year on dunks. He also scored 3.6 per game on free throws. That’s 9.0 points a game. Outside of that, Gobert scored just another 4.5 points per game. That’s pathetic given his length and the talent around him.

He needs to develop one offensive move. I think he has the work ethic but I just don’t think he has the body (very narrow hips, subpar coordination) to do so.

Prove me wrong, Rudy.
 
Rudy doesn't need to be an offensive powerhouse. Consider how he alters the game on defense and how many points less the other team scores with him on the floor.

Look at Mark Eaton - even in his prime he didn't score many points or pull down a crazy number of rebounds but he was a major difference-maker as DPOY, 1st or 2nd team all-defense 1985-1989 and even an all-star.

And Eaton was almost 25 when he came into the league - interesting fact.

No doubt Rudy would have more blocks in Eaton's era than present day as they allowed more contact back then.
 
I don't think OKC would help us get PG by doing a sign and trade and I don't think we want to sacrifice anything to OKC to get PG.

We have to get very creative in order to take a chance at PG. Neto (6/29) and Thabo (7/1) are the first dominos after the draft. We have time to decide on Favors, Jerekbo (7/9) and Udoh (7/9).

And regardless of all that, we have to shed Burks which isn't easy.

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Wes would you really prefer Rudy score 5 points more a game at the cost of 8% or so efficiency? Why?

Who is banging down low with Hakeem post moves these days? Rudy is fine on the offensive end. He needs to do his work on the other end. And on the defensive end he shrinks the floor the same way Curry stretches a floor on offense. You don’t give him near enough credit.

To any outsider the Jazz are pretty mediocre talent wise, and people don’t know why we are good. It’s Rudy. He’s probably a top 10 NBA player as far as making a team better from a wins standpoint. A Jazz fan should really understand how good he is at this point tbh.
 
Meh.

He scored 5.4 points per game last year on dunks. He also scored 3.6 per game on free throws. That’s 9.0 points a game. Outside of that, Gobert scored just another 4.5 points per game. That’s pathetic given his length and the talent around him.

He needs to develop one offensive move. I think he has the work ethic but I just don’t think he has the body (very narrow hips, subpar coordination) to do so.

Prove me wrong, Rudy.

Huh... the talent around him... he was our second leading scorer per game(not including Rod)... did so without the ball in his hands. We have good players, but not like he is playing with CP and Harden... if anything Ricky and Favs hurt Rudy's space.

One move is useless unless its unstoppable like the sky hook. He needs to be the 3/4 leading scorer for us to be elite... the offense isn't a rudy problem. Give him more space and creators and his volume will go up. Scoring as efficiently as he does makes up for the volume he can't bring. We have one guy in the starting lineup that can create his own offense consistently.
 
Wes would you really prefer Rudy score 5 points more a game at the cost of 8% or so efficiency? Why?

Who is banging down low with Hakeem post moves these days? Rudy is fine on the offensive end. He needs to do his work on the other end. And on the defensive end he shrinks the floor the same way Curry stretches a floor on offense. You don’t give him near enough credit.

To any outsider the Jazz are pretty mediocre talent wise, and people don’t know why we are good. It’s Rudy. He’s probably a top 10 NBA player as far as making a team better from a wins standpoint. A Jazz fan should really understand how good he is at this point tbh.

No one says Curry needs to become a defensive stopper to be effective. Rudy on offense is much better than Curry on defense. Not every star scores 20 a game... what Rudy brings is more unique and I guarantee guys want to play with dudes like him and Adams. They do the dirty work... give you enough scoring... and you get more shot opportunities.
 
I don't think OKC would help us get PG by doing a sign and trade and I don't think we want to sacrifice anything to OKC to get PG.

We have to get very creative in order to take a chance at PG. Neto (6/29) and Thabo (7/1) are the first dominos after the draft. We have time to decide on Favors, Jerekbo (7/9) and Udoh (7/9).

And regardless of all that, we have to shed Burks which isn't easy.

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Burks could probably be dealt in the draft or off season. His contract isn't horrible, is expiring, and he could have value to a team with space and needs some players.
 
So, let's say it does go down without a PG discount. You lose a lot of depth and now you're forced to play 'Rockets ball' in a way. Capela = Rudy (a traditional center that plays inside the arc) and 4 perimeter guys.

You absolutely must have an upgrade defensively if you want to play that way and PG fits that. If you have 4 guys on the outside that can mostly stay in front of their guys without having Rudy play 2 on 1 (like the Rockets series) you've got a much better chance. For the record, I'd still take Ricky over Dante. Dude just has the ability to play within his game more often than Dante right now.

DM/George/Rudy is way different than Harden/CP3/Capela.
It sounds good on paper, but it's not even close to the same. Defensively to have Ricky/DM/George/Ingles or anybody/Gobert is better imo than what the Rockets had, and they were good defensively. They had 4 guys that had to cover for Harden. We would have offensive firepower without sacrificing defense, unless we had a crappy 4 defensively.

I see where you are going with the comparison, but don't agree at all.
 
Mitchell
Paul
Gobert

Is like a perfect three star lineup. Paul George would have a blast being super aggressive defensively with Gobert behind him. And he’d be Klay Thompson on the offensive end, draining wide open threes all game. Mitchell would be the one with the ball in his hands. Great players can always make it work, CP3 and Harden are proof of that, but in terms of basketball fit this one would be pretty great.
 
He doesn’t have one offensive move. Nothing.

He doesn't have a go to post move but claiming he hasn't improved offensively is absurd. His hands have improved a ton, he can put the ball on the floor now in transition, he has a spin move and much improved footwork and pump fakes overall when he rolls.

I don't want him to become another Al Jefferson or Kancer anyway. I think a hook might get better but that's about all I need to see outside of a pick and pop, but those are low efficiency for most so who cares.

I'm not going to argue against a guy who has one of the league's best Ortg-Drtg differentials. 129-99 last season? That's unreal. Plus, he led the league in ts%. I'll take 14 points a night from a center with 68 ts% over anything we've seen in a long while. Plus, he led the league in screen assists in 2017, so yeah, I'm going to point to it.
 
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