Bawse Dawg
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Duh, having your best players on the court is always the best move. But Klay goes to the bench quickly so he can be available when Durant and or Curry takes a seat. One of them is always on the court, that's staggering the minutes.The lineup of Steph, Klay, KD, Igg, and Dray (their death lineup of great offense):
Played the 6th most minutes in the playoffs (which is a lot considering the injuries to several of those players), they played the 3rd most minutes together in the regular season (even with injuries). You overestimate the staggering. Curry, Durant, Green and Thompson all played in 4 of 5 most used GSW lineups...
News flash, anyone playing in those lineups will have great offensive ratings. It's the greatest collection of offensive talent ever assembled. That does not mean Iggy and Draymond are great offensive players (Draymond actually is good, but not at putting the ball in the basket.)in the regular season they had ortg of 125, 110, 119, 113, & 110... and they combined for an oRtg of 124 when all playing together, which is significantly above the league average oRtg of 108.
I'll take your word for it, but the death lineup only being a +8 is a far cry from what it used to be. Gobert led plenty of Jazz lineups with a better net rating than that. So moot point.they had a dRtg of 108, 111, 107, 109 & 105... and they combined to output a dRtg of 116 all together, which is significantly worse than the league average of 106
They are all above average offensively, and combine to be significantly worse than the league average defensively. Yet they lean on that lineup when they need it most.
BS. You can't whip out the Iggy and Draymond offensive ratings, and then put qualifiers on Rudy's. Those two play with three of the greatest shooters ever. Gobert plays with an average offense all around him. his offensive rating being good, is a way bigger deal than any other Golden State player having a good Ortg, so the point is buried right there.Rudy has a good oRtg too, but the difference is that his oRtg is the product of his lack of usage, and dependence on put-backs or opportunistic dump offs.
Rudy has the most screen assists in the league, and always has to be respected around the rim. What more do you want? You want him to develop a mediocre handle and run a pick and roll or something? Why? When would that ever be a preferred option? He's not some stiff out there, it's just not what he's asked to do.If other guys are shut down, game planned for, injured, etc. Rudy becomes nothing, even possibly a negative offensively. The GSW have 4 or 5 guys on the floor who can create something, even green can dribble and find open players. Rudy is limited to holding the ball for handoffs outside the paint. Inside the paint he doesn't touch the ball unless he is open under the hoop.
He's our defensive anchor. And a huge part of our offensive plan. That plan does not involve him shooting mediocre percentages from mid range, it's a waste. Donovan is a high volume scorer, if he ups his efficiency by 5% suddenly our offense looks way better. Get us a stretch four to replace Favors and watch how much better we look on offense.And that sums up the problem. The problem isn't so much that its Rudy, its that we have almost ALL of our players not being able to create ANY offense. You appear to think 4-5 great players offensively is a bad thing... so do you prefer we have 2 good offensive players and 3 bad? right now our starting five has only 3 players who rate above league average offensively, and none of them even come close to 20% usage. The guys taking our shots (Rubio, Mitchell, Hood, Exum, Burks, Crowder) are all well below league average oRtg. I think we see DMs efficiency rise, and it makes sense that it's low considering how much usg he had to bare. but the moral of the story is YOU NEED to spread shots out among good offensive players. That way one or two guys cant be isolated and game-planned for, and shut down the entire team.
Look, I'm not stupid. Obviously if Gobert could be 50% better on offense and the same player on defense that'd be great. But it would also be great if Curry could play defense like Kawhi Leonard. But I doubt any Golden State fans have to defend the fact that he doesn't to others.Our starting lineup leaves us with one guy who can create (and inefficiently -- partly because of the lack of help); therefor we run 2 players with bad oRtgs, and 3 passable offensive guys who rarely shoot (ingles, favors, and gobert)
Your original point was that Golden State runs 5 great offensive players at a time. And currently the player Rudy is doesn't allow us to do the same. One of those points is absolutely false. And I say both are. But let's just say that they do run 5 great offensive players in the
Curry
Klay
Iggy
KD
Draymond lineup.
Draymond is 11ppg with 51.6eFG%
Iggy is 6ppg on 51.4eFG%
Rudy is 13.5ppg on 62.2eFG%
So, no. Rudy is not what is holding us back from having a Golden State style "Five offensive threats" lineup.