Why do we need a metaphor for something we all went through?Srsly imagine your workplace. Now imagine that everyone there is going through puberty, you have weekly tests of you're knowledge, you have to take your work home, you can't quit, you don't get paid, and you produce nothing. That's Jr high.
I was not blaming our school system for school shootings. I was saying that I think our system does a lot of psychological harm. That it isn't just one crazy kid here or there. That the problem is greater than just school shootings. I agree with your second paragraph and would simply point out that our schooling system is part(perhaps the most important) of the society you describe in the second paragraph. You make the argument yourself. We have replaced that community with a school system that will be replaced by a workplace when you age. As far as being isolated these kids aren't alone they're lonely. They are surrounded by people that are busy establishing their own position in the pecking order and stepping on others is often how you do that. Jr. high is a hyper intense version of our society that is filled with the people that are least equipped to deal with it.
Seems like you are taking an issue that is in the extreme minority and acting as if it is an issue that effects the vast majority of children. How many instances of a kid shooting up their own school can you list?
Ya, I agree with all of this. I just wanted to point out that it is a larger societal problem, and not just school related. I believe you're right that the cultural factors that lead to this problem are most apparent in schools, for the reasons you listed.
You're spot on about people being lonely despite being surrounded by people. That is exactly the loss of community that I was referring to.
To make things worse, I don't think there are any comprehensive solutions in the current system. You can make things better thru gun control and what have you. But the source of the problem is technology; the well from which all "progress" gushes thru. Community is just the price we pay for the technological empowerment of the individual.
There are 7th, 8th, and 9th graders in the school. I think the kid is in 8th grade.
There are 7th, 8th, and 9th graders in the school. I think the kid is in 8th grade.
Damm. I would probably go postal too in that scenario.Srsly imagine your workplace. Now imagine that everyone there is going through puberty, you have weekly tests of your knowledge, you have to take your work home, you can't quit, you don't get paid, and you produce nothing. That's Jr high.
You don't think I noticed that you just moved the goalposts?How many suicides, overdoses, dropouts, etc.
Seems like you're ignoring the way the vast majority of kids lash out.
You don't think I noticed that you just moved the goalposts?
I'm not sure why you think I see this as a gun control issue. I disagree with your assessment that school shootings are some sort of systemic issue that arises from taking a hunter/gatherer culture and putting them into schools. To me that sounds like a ridiculous explanation for very bad (but also very isolated) behavior like shooting up a school.What are you talking about? You need to reread my posts with less of an agenda. I'm not making any argument against gun control here. Nothing I have said in this thread is an argument against gun control. You could agree or disagree with me and still be for or against gun control.
Read the first page. Lost the heart to read the rest. I just say... WTF.
I think he was saying that kids lashing out (in many ways, not just bringing guns to school) is a systemic issue.I'm not sure why you think I see this as a gun control issue. I disagree with your assessment that school shootings are some sort of systemic issue that arises from taking a hunter/gatherer culture and putting them into schools. To me that sounds like a ridiculous explanation for very bad (but also very isolated) behavior like shooting up a school.
I'm not sure why you think I see this as a gun control issue. I disagree with your assessment that school shootings are some sort of systemic issue that arises from taking a hunter/gatherer culture and putting them into schools. To me that sounds like a ridiculous explanation for very bad (but also very isolated) behavior like shooting up a school.
Some kinda coincidence this happens days after OP is advocating for kids using guns.. amiright or amiright???
I know this is a sensitive time, and I wouldn't even ask if you weren't discussing this with others, but shouldn't you be waiting to hear more facts on this case (after the investigation is further along) before deciding how this either reinforces or changes what you already believed?