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Jazz 2017->onwards payroll projection

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I'll rely on the numbers provided under
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/utah-jazz/ and https://www.basketballinsiders.com/utah-jazz-team-salary/
in the following projection.

A lot of discussion has taken place here if the Jazz can sustain extending all their talent, how many they'll have to let go amongst other topics.
I'll just give a short explanation why the Salary Cap is most likely going to fall, it's pretty simple.
The NBA's CBA includes a clause that the players are being paid between 49 and 51% of all basketball related income(BRI).
Roughly said the BRI is what setts the cap.
But in addition to that there's something that the NBA calls "benefits" that's being deducted from the basketball related income. Benefits are being returned to players whenever the teams total payroll is less than half of what the league makes as a whole, the BRI.
So they keep 10% of player salaries in advance and manage it until the end of the season and if the owners tried spending more than half the league's income then that money is being used is being held. If they didn't spend enough, parts of those 10% are returned to the players in order to hold up to the promise.

So why has the salary cap projection for next year changed?
Well the league didn't think that owner would be willing to invest so much this offseason with the influx of new TV money. They thought teams would be more conservative and offer less crazy Tyler Johnson for 50, Allan Crabbe for 75 etc etc type of deals. They simply anticipated teams would not spend enough and that they'd have to offset the missing money via aforementioned benefits. Now as this probably isn't happening(Current projections for 2017 are $30k per team in terms of returned benefits).

So the new projection for the Cap stands at $102M and the tax threshold is believed to be $122M.
Based on these numbers, new maxmimum contracts are gonna look like this:

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Gordon Hayward will be in the 7-9 years of service range with bird rights, Rudy Gobert in the Less than 7 years range with bird rights as well unless he wins MVP or Finals MVP and unlocks the Derrick Rose provision.

So once Gordon opts out of his contract, he'll count as hold against the cap of 150% his previous salary and since Rudy's rookie contract expires, he'll count by 250% his previous salary against the cap until sth happens. So initially if everything goes as expected and no in season trades happen, it'll look the following:

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(Forgot to add Diaw as one we'd renounce to create max flexibility)

As you can see there's very limited caproom available($12M) if we renounce everyone but Hayward, Hill + Gobert. If some big time free agent wanted to join, we'd free up $22M by trading Iso Joe and Burks for a trade exception that we'd have to give up immediately or renouncing rights to Hill would be another way to create space. So a max salary slot could be doable, but it wouldn't come without sacrifice. Especially if you're looking at a max contract for a 7+ or 10+ year vet.
Free agents most likely to be interested in Utah in case we make Conference Semis and lose in 6 or 7 close games to the Dubs or even make the Conference Finals are Blake Griffin and/or CP3, Brodie has already hinted that he's staying in OKC.
For them giving up a lot/renouncing multiple players makes sense.
Interesting FAs that can be had below the max are Danilo Gallinari, Paul Millsap(He may demand max though depending on his play next year)
If you can convince Gobert+Gordon to be patient until mid July until their max deals are getting done, you could try to throw a big offer at restricted FA Mirotic first, which doesn't really make sense from a roster standpoint, but he'd be someone that could be had.

So now let's assume we're staying put and both Hayward and Gobert are getting offered the max(They are unless they Lindsey works some Spurs magic and convinces them to forfeit like $1M annually to help the team add more quality - But that's unlikely)
Now I'll simply set Hill's future starting salary arbitrarily to $16M and assume Diaw doesn't break down and his option getts picked up. In that case we'll exceed the luxury tax threshold slightly, but that could be avoided by trading Joe Johnson away, stretching his contract or trading Burks. But ýou could still just part ways with Diaw, be below the tax line, add a min contract and the Jazz would only have to add very little out of their own pocket(They're saving money these days btw and team evaluations are growing fast)

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I don't really wanna speculate beyond the 2017 free agency, even though Exum, Favors and Hood are FAs in 2018. I think it's too far in the future to really predict how much they can command. In 2018 there won't be 30 teams with capspace trolling around. At that point a lot of teams like the Lakers will feel buyers remorse with Deng and Mozgov. Other teams as well. So not every quality FA is going to be an automatic max player. The best case would be if Exum makes a giant leap in performance in year 5. That way they could just keep Hood on a rich contract and Favors on something close to the max that year, while Exum being on a team friendly "Curry contract". Otherwise letting go of Johnson, Diaw and Burks wouldn't be enough, but you'd have to trade Hill or Lyles as well.
 
Good post
I hope we have to pay Rudy more than the max be is expected to get.
 
I don't think he'll be too unhappy about $24M annually.
But I hope we have to pay him more than that. (That would mean he was the league mvp or finals mvp right? )
 
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Extending Hill, a guy who will be 31.5 years old when the season starts in 2017, starting off at 16M per in year one of his contract, would really destroy any hope to retain the remainder of the core which to me is really Favors, Exum, and Hood. If Exum is what some of us think he is and shows that fairly consistently in the first four months this season, we may be better off moving Hill for a 2017 1st this February imo.

Of course, if we're a top 3-4 seed, I don't think it's really feasible to trade Hill and risk screwing up the chemistry, depth and what could be some killer momentum and layoff possibilities. Exum would have to look really, really good night in and night out for that.
 
Extending Hill, a guy who will be 31.5 years old when the season starts in 2017, starting off at 16M per in year one of his contract, would really destroy any hope to retain the remainder of the core which to me is really Favors, Exum, and Hood. If Exum is what some of us think he is and shows that fairly consistently in the first four months this season, we may be better off moving Hill for a 2017 1st this February imo.

Of course, if we're a top 3-4 seed, I don't think it's really feasible to trade Hill and risk screwing up the chemistry, depth and what could be some killer momentum and layoff possibilities. Exum would have to look really, really good night in and night out for that.

Yeah, Hill will probably help us out a ton, but $16 million is overpaying and sacrificing our core. Not sure that's the way to go. We have Exum and Hill now, but we would love to keep them both if Hill will take say $10 million. That makes a big difference on the numbers right there.
 
Yeah, Hill will probably help us out a ton, but $16 million is overpaying and sacrificing our core. Not sure that's the way to go. We have Exum and Hill now, but we would love to keep them both if Hill will take say $10 million. That makes a big difference on the numbers right there.

I don't think Hill is going to command 16 million. If he does, then we will have had a tremendous year and it will be worth it.
 
Nice post. It shows perfectly how keeping all of the young core isn't very feasible. Even if the Millers were willing to go over the luxury tax again, we would be so far over it once we re-signed Exum/Favors/Hood/Lyles it would be crazy. And being that we are a significant player away from being a championship contender I don't think it's a smart move to give up all flexibility. Someone is going to have to be moved to ensure we keep most of our core and retain flexibility going forward so that we can keep improving toward championship contenders.
 
I don't think Hill is going to command 16 million. If he does, then we will have had a tremendous year and it will be worth it.
You mean like mosgov?
 
Nice post. It shows perfectly how keeping all of the young core isn't very feasible. Even if the Millers were willing to go over the luxury tax again, we would be so far over it once we re-signed Exum/Favors/Hood/Lyles it would be crazy. And being that we are a significant player away from being a championship contender I don't think it's a smart move to give up all flexibility. Someone is going to have to be moved to ensure we keep most of our core and retain flexibility going forward so that we can keep improving toward championship contenders.

Moving them at this point would be jumping the gun way too early. You have to see what you have and develop your talent first. Nobody actually knows we are a player away.
 
Moving them at this point would be jumping the gun way too early. You have to see what you have and develop your talent first. Nobody actually knows we are a player away.

Time isn't a luxury the Jazz have anymore. Gordon Hayward opts out next off season looking for the max. So the Jazz have until the February 2017 trade deadline to determine the future of this team. That's the point of no return on the Hayward decision. That decision is the biggest one in the future of this team.
 
Easier to find cheaper guards than cheaper bigs.

This logic doesn't apply here for 3 reasons:

1)Bigs are less sought after these days, unless they're great at sth.
2)George Hill's game isn't reliant on speed or athleticism. There's very little reason he can't age like an Andre Miller or J Kidd.
3)He was massively underutilized in Indiana and focused way more on his defensive qualities. He's a top5 defender under 6'4"(CP3, Avery Bradley, John Wall, Lowry - in no particular order) - BUT his offense is based on spacing and reading the floor. His length allows him to finish around the basket(70% in 14/15). In 14/15 when the Pacers needed him more as a playmaker, he ended up having a 21 PER and >.2 WS/48 and a low 10% TO ratio. He's awesome. $16M is gonna be a steal that's due to age or Spurs brainwashing if he's still capable when given the opportunity to make plays.
 
This logic doesn't apply here for 3 reasons:

1)Bigs are less sought after these days, unless they're great at sth.
2)George Hill's game isn't reliant on speed or athleticism. There's very little reason he can't age like an Andre Miller or J Kidd.
3)He was massively underutilized in Indiana and focused way more on his defensive qualities. He's a top5 defender under 6'4"(CP3, Avery Bradley, John Wall, Lowry - in no particular order) - BUT his offense is based on spacing and reading the floor. His length allows him to finish around the basket(70% in 14/15). In 14/15 when the Pacers needed him more as a playmaker, he ended up having a 21 PER and >.2 WS/48 and a low 10% TO ratio. He's awesome. $16M is gonna be a steal that's due to age or Spurs brainwashing if he's still capable when given the opportunity to make plays.

Agreed.


$16m for Hill in this crazy market would be just about right IMO.


Also about our core, Hill can play behind both Exum and Hood. We need a SOLID back up for both of those guys. Hill can play 2 positions - that's the main selling point for DL. He mentioned this in various interviews about why we got him. Hill will stay. DL will push hard to make him retire in Utah. We didn't give up a 1st just for a 1 year rental in a non-contending year.
 
This logic doesn't apply here for 3 reasons:

1)Bigs are less sought after these days, unless they're great at sth.
2)George Hill's game isn't reliant on speed or athleticism. There's very little reason he can't age like an Andre Miller or J Kidd.
3)He was massively underutilized in Indiana and focused way more on his defensive qualities. He's a top5 defender under 6'4"(CP3, Avery Bradley, John Wall, Lowry - in no particular order) - BUT his offense is based on spacing and reading the floor. His length allows him to finish around the basket(70% in 14/15). In 14/15 when the Pacers needed him more as a playmaker, he ended up having a 21 PER and >.2 WS/48 and a low 10% TO ratio. He's awesome. $16M is gonna be a steal that's due to age or Spurs brainwashing if he's still capable when given the opportunity to make plays.

Bigs are still sought after, look at Deng, Noah, and Mozgov. A small on the wrong side of 30 isn't going to get 16 million by default. That is Allen Crabbe money. And for every stupid deal that happens, there is one less team that can offer a stupid deal.

If Hill gets 16 million, then he will have blown up and the Jazz should just ease into the salary cap at that point because we will at least have made it into the second round. If we have done that, then the value of the young core will also have skyrocketed and they will be well worth their high dollar contracts as assets.

In a future where Hill is worth 16 million, you go ahead and max Heyward because he will have earned star status. Your biggest concern at that point would likely be Exum, because he would have never earned time from Hill.
 
Bigs are still sought after, look at Deng, Noah, and Mozgov. A small on the wrong side of 30 isn't going to get 16 million by default. That is Allen Crabbe money. And for every stupid deal that happens, there is one less team that can offer a stupid deal.

If Hill gets 16 million, then he will have blown up and the Jazz should just ease into the salary cap at that point because we will at least have made it into the second round. If we have done that, then the value of the young core will also have skyrocketed and they will be well worth their high dollar contracts as assets.

In a future where Hill is worth 16 million, you go ahead and max Heyward because he will have earned star status. Your biggest concern at that point would likely be Exum, because he would have never earned time from Hill.

The better player will play - simple as that. Exum needs to EARN his minutes. This is no kindergarten, this is the big league.


I believe over time, if Exum is as good as advertised, he will start, Hill is the ULTIMATE TEAM PLAYER, you heard him in the interview, he is all about winning, no matter what. Hill will be quite happy to backing up Exum (if he deserves to start), and Hood (who is already a rising star).
 
The ability to retain our core long-term is definitely one of the biggest potential problems looming over what is an extremely bright future. I'm still holding out hope (most likely naively) that we are a 3-4 seed, make a deep run, & stay competitive enough against GSW/SAS to convince Hayward to re-sign for less than the max. It may be unlikely but it would set an example to the rest of our team & is probably the only chance we have at keeping this core together long enough to (hopefully) eventually become legitimate championship contenders.
 
Bigs are still sought after, look at Deng, Noah, and Mozgov. A small on the wrong side of 30 isn't going to get 16 million by default. That is Allen Crabbe money. And for every stupid deal that happens, there is one less team that can offer a stupid deal.

If Hill gets 16 million, then he will have blown up and the Jazz should just ease into the salary cap at that point because we will at least have made it into the second round. If we have done that, then the value of the young core will also have skyrocketed and they will be well worth their high dollar contracts as assets.

In a future where Hill is worth 16 million, you go ahead and max Heyward because he will have earned star status. Your biggest concern at that point would likely be Exum, because he would have never earned time from Hill.

Noah's a great passer, The Lakers are great at spending recklessly.
Hayward's getting maxed no matter what and I'm really optimistic, Hill will be very impactful. He'll also be a starter until Exum outperforms him.
 
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