Kanter...SMH!
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squareinthecircle
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I agree with this bit of homegrown wisdom. We have a lot riding on this guy so it's natural to be critical and concerned, I get it. It will be interesting to see what he brings to the table next year with a season of NBA and a PO series under his belt.
jazzfan1971
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Me too. His IQ, or lack there off, is what bothers me the most. That is too be expected from a guy who hasn't really had much game time, but at the same time I don't really get a great sense that he has a natural aptitude for the game. It can improve no doubt, but I have the feeling he will be along the same skill level as Jefferson is in passing ability.
MVP
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N.Vucevic
Also think it is kind of ironic the OP gets flamed for making this post (rightfully so), but the people who makes the "Fire Corbin" threads don't. Kanter and Corbin are both rookies at their respective positions (player and coach). Why isn't Corbin allowed the same patience in growth among the board?
MVP
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Thats ridiculous statement. Jefferson may be not the best P&R defender but he is solid one on one defender and he is 100X better shot blocker then Kanter. So how you can say that Kanter better defender overall?? He might show more effort but skill wise he is no better then big AL.
Weezur
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His rebounding is because of his great sense to get under the board. He's got good IQ on the big man end (he rotates well and stuff), but his court vision really lacks.
And I think Jefferson's passing ability was a combo of how he was used in Minny and also tunnel vision. Kanter has one of those demons so far.
The Black Swordsman
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Enes Kanter 13.2 min 4.2 rebounds 0.1 assists 0.3 blocks 0.3 steals 0.8 TO's and 4.6 pts.
Nikola Vucevic 15.9 min 4.8 rebounds 0.6 assists 0.7 blocks 0.4 steals 0.6 TO's and 5.5 pts
Hasheem Thabeet 13.0 min 3.6 rebounds 0.2 assists 1.4 blocks 0.2 steals 0.6 TO's and 3.1 pts
Enes Kanters stats aren't that much better then Hasheem Thabeet's rookie year
But at same time his stats are actually slightly better then Spencer Hawes who I think is solid
Spencer Hawes 13.1 min 3.3 rebounds 0.6 assists 0.6 blocks 0.2 steals 0.8 TO's and 4.7 pts
Al Jefferson was straight out of high school and had slightly better stats then Enes Kanter
Al Jefferson 14.8 min 4.4. rebounds 0.3 assists 0.8 blocks 0.3 steals 0.9 TO's and 6.7 p
Well obviously we all want Kanter to be at least an All-Star. Lets face it anything less from the third pick overall is disappointing.
It's hard to compare Enes Kanters stats to star centers rookie years since most of them got more minutes then Kanter did because they didn't have as much depth as Jazz had.
I think Kanters defense was better then expected (especially if you watched those DraftExpress videos on his defense, those videos made him look horrible). However his offense was not quite as good as I expected.
I would say that from his rookie year all we can say is that the jury is still out.
Nikola Vucevic 15.9 min 4.8 rebounds 0.6 assists 0.7 blocks 0.4 steals 0.6 TO's and 5.5 pts
Hasheem Thabeet 13.0 min 3.6 rebounds 0.2 assists 1.4 blocks 0.2 steals 0.6 TO's and 3.1 pts
Enes Kanters stats aren't that much better then Hasheem Thabeet's rookie year
But at same time his stats are actually slightly better then Spencer Hawes who I think is solid
Spencer Hawes 13.1 min 3.3 rebounds 0.6 assists 0.6 blocks 0.2 steals 0.8 TO's and 4.7 pts
Al Jefferson was straight out of high school and had slightly better stats then Enes Kanter
Al Jefferson 14.8 min 4.4. rebounds 0.3 assists 0.8 blocks 0.3 steals 0.9 TO's and 6.7 p
Well obviously we all want Kanter to be at least an All-Star. Lets face it anything less from the third pick overall is disappointing.
It's hard to compare Enes Kanters stats to star centers rookie years since most of them got more minutes then Kanter did because they didn't have as much depth as Jazz had.
I think Kanters defense was better then expected (especially if you watched those DraftExpress videos on his defense, those videos made him look horrible). However his offense was not quite as good as I expected.
I would say that from his rookie year all we can say is that the jury is still out.
MVP
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Well said. I think in those draftexpress videos he just gave no sh..t about defense in those high school games or he did not know that somebody is recording it.
zross1
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I'm not worried about Kanter. He is already a elite rebounder, showed he can defend and outmuscle some of the best bigs in the league. I know there isnt much film on the kid prev to this year but he has a good stroke. Just wait until he starts streching d's with a 3 pt shot about 3 years from now. One big problem is although Al is teaching him good footwork, and low post moves he is also teaching him to hold the ball to long and not teaching him to look for the open cutter. 10 rpg is a given. Points I could see 14-18 range depending on if he developes the strech 3.
Your performance on these boards just leaves me SMH everytime I see you post.
I'm not saying he'll be great... but I'm saying it could be a lot worse.
Coloradojazzfan
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Hi.
Kanter has hardly played basketball at a high level. Sat out college, no training camp, no summer leauge and hardly no preseason. Kanter is 19 years old.
Thank you for your time.
Kanter has hardly played basketball at a high level. Sat out college, no training camp, no summer leauge and hardly no preseason. Kanter is 19 years old.
Thank you for your time.
None of that necessarily means he will develop a basketball IQ or elite skills. He may just be a big body who is good at being physical, rebounding, and a relatively soft jumper.
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Ooops my bad.... i do feel foolish now.
I follow nba pretty closely and have never even heard of him. (i was obviously thinking of nikola pekovic)
I did see that he didn't play a single minute in yesterdays game..... I will still take kanter over him (especially considering i know nothing about vucevic
i was irrational i admit
but if he got 25-30 mins per game like most of 3rd picks, he would have impressed way more people
underKANTER
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are you kidding me? kid has a 32.5 inch max vertical. if he would add six more inches, he would have a 38.5 inch max vertical. even blake griffin has a 35.5 max inch vertical. tyson chandler, andrew bogut and ekpe udoh are similar to kanter: they all have 33.5 inch max vertical. while his standig vertical could improve, his problem is not his lack of lift at all, it's rather that he does not have the elite length à la cousins, chandler and so on, while he still is not undersized.
his jumping ability is average, but the problem is his lack of explosiveness. he can't jump quickly, that's his problem, not his lack of getting high in the air! he can't get high quickly.
Ok, but it sure looks like he can't get up. Guess that explains it. But there are ways to improve on that, I think. I've read about Olympians in the high jump, broad jump, and triple jump using techniques to improve on explosiveness, so maybe he can improve on that. And it looks like Griffin is getting two feet higher than Kanter -- not to say that he is, but it sure looks that way.