Leonard Cohen on Kanye West

[babe]

Except, in this case it was a Republican not a Democrat.

So, to recap, a conservative Republican commentator on CNN calls Kanye a token negro which somehow morphs into liberal CNN calling him the n-word.

People don't argue facts anymore, bro. Saying there's "a conservative Republican commentator on CNN" is the same as claiming there's "a Christian crusader in Caligula's forces". Likewise, "a token negro" is the same as "a runaway slave".

It's is absolutely imperative that the Democrats send out the cops and bounty hunters to enforce discipline and unquestioned authority amongst their political captive classes, just as it's only economic necessity to keep those Democratic Voter "immigrant worker" ships packed like sardine cans to squeeze as many Democratic Voters as possible into the hold, to get them here to vote Democrat in this "democratic crisis" for the great cause of Obama's "community organizational victory" come Nov. 6.

Former AG Eric Holder, who with Obama contrived the plan to provide guns to the Coyote Immigrant Escort Services are proud of their genius. Packing in the drugs to help reduce the whitey juvenile crop is just ICEing on their cake. But the reality of those modern slaver caravans losing a high percentage of their "cargo" is of no concern to "liberals" because it's the price of getting thousands across the border every day.

Of course, Trumps johhny-come-lately poorly-funded and disorganized efforts to save the kids from fentanal-ICEd pot and "build the wall" is just too damn ineffective to stem the tide, especially when there are already recruitment officers.... call them "slave recruiters" in place telling po' folks they can get them to the Streets of Gold and organizing those immigrant caravans.

The demographic warfare is working. Bill Gates is on the team, the UN is claiming supervisory authority over all immigrants everywhere, and clannish enclaves of like-minded citizens are being broken up everywhere, making police state governance the practical solution to angry mobs raging through the streets in murderous demonstrations against every conceivable "injustice" however trivial.

It's like having a Continental-scale Industrial Revolution licensed to pollute the world on one side of the Pacific, while taxing people who fart on the other side of the Pacific. It's a great plan that maximizes Statism everywhere.

facts and reasonable discussion are out. Hype and hyperbole are in.

Respect and civil society are gone. Today Rage and emotionally-unhinged rants are the rule.

Obama has indeed " fundamentally transformed America". A little Soros cash hiring mobs on the street helps, but the mainstream Press has done the job.

 

[Jonah]

Actually a Democrat and Republican called him a negro on CNN. Only one called him a token negro.

It was bad by both of them. I’m the one who brought it up, and I never involved party for a reason...because the party doesn’t matter in this case. It was wrong no matter who said it. Don Lemon, the host, should have put a stop to it right away. Instead, he laughed. If it was on Fox I would have the same criticism.

You’re right, you didn’t make it partisan. The poster I quoted did, which is why he was the one I quoted.

Both commentators on CNN did use the word negro, but the one that said “token negro” the phrase at issue here and the one that has so many twitter-bated, is a Republican. The Democrat, on the other hand, said: “Anti-intellectualism simply isn’t cool. Kanye West is what happens when Negros don’t read.” A small potatoes jab at Kanye for famously saying he is "a proud non-reader of books."

The funny part is how upset the word negro has made more than a few right wingers. Some even going so far as to conflate it with the N-word, as if negro is just a softer version of the most toxic word in the English language. Negro, in and amongst the black community, is most often just a synonym for a backward looking fool, someone with a 1950s pre-Civil Rights era mentality. Using it was wrong only in the sense that all insults are wrong. Definitely not an outrage or nearly the big deal some are making it out to be.

 

[Stoked]

Except, in this case it was a Republican not a Democrat.

So, to recap, a conservative Republican commentator on CNN calls Kanye a token negro which somehow morphs into liberal CNN calling him the n-word.

CNN leans left, and the other hosts laughed. But if you want to pretend that conservative blacks are targeted Verbally by the professional left go ahead. You’ll just be wrong.

 

[Jonah]

CNN leans left, and the other hosts laughed. But if you want to pretend that conservative blacks are targeted Verbally by the professional left go ahead. You’ll just be wrong.

I think you meant "are not" targeted. With which i would agree they are often targeted by the left. My only point was that, in this particular case, the person who used the “token negro” phrase is a Republican. But you go ahead and pretend you didn’t assume she was a Democrat.

 

[Stoked]

I think you meant "are not" targeted. With which i would agree they are often targeted by the left. My only point was that, in this particular case, the person who used the “token negro” phrase is a Republican. But you go ahead and pretend you didn’t assume she was a Democrat.

Correct I did mean that. And while the initial comment was made by a R commentator it’s still on a left leaning show and laughed at by the L commentators. Just one small hit in a long series of hits.

I don’t have to pretend anything. It’s all over twitter, including her not being liberal. Such as the back and forth between her and Herschel Walker about it.

This is where “nice try” applies.

 

[Jonah]

People don't argue facts anymore, bro. Saying there's "a conservative Republican commentator on CNN" is the same as claiming there's "a Christian crusader in Caligula's forces. . ."

No, babe, the fact is, you don’t get to decide who is a Republican or a conservative. Someone who has mainstream conservative values and votes and supports Republicans, as this CNN commentator has done, is actually a Republican. You don’t get to RINO her out of the Party because she is not reactionary enough for you.

 

[JazzGal]

I was amused by Kanye's verbal diarrhea because he out-trumped Trump. But West does have known mental illness issues, so it was unkind of me. We're all just doing the best we can, right?

 

[Stoked]

I was amused by Kanye's verbal diarrhea because he out-trumped Trump. But West does have known mental illness issues, so it was unkind of me. We're all just doing the best we can, right?

He’s been actually diagnosed with stuff?

 

[Rubashov]

I was amused by Kanye's verbal diarrhea because he out-trumped Trump. But West does have known mental illness issues, so it was unkind of me. We're all just doing the best we can, right?

He’s been actually diagnosed with stuff?

https://www.psychologytoday.com/au/conditions/narcissistic-personality-disorder

At a guess...

i would wager most successful people have some sort of mental illness, it is uncommon to be successful.

 

[Red]

I've never heard of Leonard Cohen before.

Poet, songwriter, performer, a devout Jew and Buddhist monk. I cant let you assume he was a sociopath. Well, I can, but I'd rather take the time to give you a brief taste...

 

[idestroyedthetoilet]

Actually a Democrat and Republican called him a negro on CNN. Only one called him a token negro.

It was bad by both of them. I’m the one who brought it up, and I never involved party for a reason...because the party doesn’t matter in this case. It was wrong no matter who said it. Don Lemon, the host, should have put a stop to it right away. Instead, he laughed. If it was on Fox I would have the same criticism.

Shut up Randy. Your teeth look like Indian corn. I swear to god they do.

 

[LogGrad98]

I was amused by Kanye's verbal diarrhea because he out-trumped Trump. But West does have known mental illness issues, so it was unkind of me. We're all just doing the best we can, right?

And Trump looks so disinterested. Pretty sure he is just thinking about his next tweet.

 

[JazzGal]

Kanye has been diagnosed bipolar, but apparently he doesn’t take his meds because he doesn’t believe the diagnosis. That’s about my entire knowledge of the Kardashians.

 

[babe]

No, babe, the fact is, you don’t get to decide who is a Republican or a conservative. Someone who has mainstream conservative values and votes and supports Republicans, as this CNN commentator has done, is actually a Republican. You don’t get to RINO her out of the Party because she is not reactionary enough for you.

RINOs defend RINOs well enough. People call themselves whatever they want, and I call them whatever I want. Trump is not "Republican", CNN employees are not "Republican". They have loyalties that transcend the demands of the label. Probably phony pretensions. Like being some damn "token" something or another. Nobody knows what a Republican is, but I can Guan-damn-tee you Kanye is not a Republican either. I think they are Americans, and I don't think you are American. They are not so American that they would really be any kind of model or example, but the basic idea that qualifies them as "American" is that they, in some ways, seem to think individual people have rights and relevance that should take priority over some of the demands for conformity to some of the "liberal" imperatives. They like people working and taking care of themselves, and prospering more than they like them being taken care of by socialist programs. Trump and Kanye agree on the need for them to use their position or assets to help foster that self-reliance that made them successful.

So go pound sand with your little Statist authoritarian encyclopedic intellectual conceits. You practically have to be a Marxist to even use words like "reactionary" in describing people you know nothing about. With Marxists and many influenced by the made-up fantasies of socialism and the whole kit and caboodle of related ideologies, the common denominator is lies. The end justifies the means, and lies made up in service of the cause are considered clever if not virtuous methods of the "revolution" or "resistance".

The whole political dictionary made up in promoting Statism over the American ideals of governments of, by, and for the people.... run by the people.... is designed to control and manipulate human beings to subservience. You think you get to define what's what and divide and classify and pontificate according to you particular delusions.

In my simplified truthful lexicon, I simply recognize that people operating within the made-up constructs are really not even what they imagine they are.

A political party can call themselves Republican or Democrat, meet and write up little party platforms or run out some kind of campaign, but nobody sticks to the terms. There's always some damn lobbyist with some kind of angle about why politicians should do what he wants, and most of the time that is what is done.

A person may call themselves "American" for any of several reasons, if not hundreds of reasons, but in the context of a discussion of politics where the ideals of socialism are distinctly different from the ideas of the United States Constitution or Bill of Rights or Declaration of Independence, the word "American" can have a distinct meaning of supporting those documents in some fashion. Sure a lot of ideological "socialists" also believe they support those ideals as well, but in some ways their profession just isn't realistic to the terms of human rights envisioned by the American founders.

So if you want anyone to think you're "smart" it would be advisable to consider actually understanding how the terms are being used, and what it intended by others in their use.... and maybe respond to that.

Not go off on some stupid insult about how anyone who isn't hip with the trends you prefer is "reactionary". That is such a trite overused and discredited term. You think you are "progress", you think you can shout down anyone who differs by using stupid meaningless terms that wore out all over again every time some totalitarian dictator called himself "progress" and wanted to shut down his opposition.

I have fun trying to make conceited arrogant idealists with a settled world view just a bit uncomfortable. I'm not done until I can laugh at them. So I'll have to do some more, later, gator.

 

[babe]

Poet, songwriter, performer, a devout Jew and Buddhist monk. I cant let you assume he was a sociopath. Well, I can, but I'd rather take the time to give you a brief taste...

Well, that was downright nice of you.

"sociopath" is another made-up label humans resort to in some pathetic attempts to classify and dismiss one another. It means, essentially, in the simplest possible terms, one who is not readily or securely "normal". In the "official" handbook there is a listed set of symptoms to be judged without any objective rules.

I generally like artists who are unique and intelligent, and who have some kind of intellect and style of their own. I think I like Leonard Cohen, and I'm going to take some time to enjoy his work. Obviously, he had some kind of point in his poem in the OP that is much more than a beastial chest-thumping brag.

About one in ten humans is generally within the operating range of the term "sociopath".... roughly the same ratio as are left-handed. Some, however, do stuff that hurts others, and don't even feel sorry. The worst offenders are generally lawyers and politicians, if not successful enough to become billionaires with notions of global governance.

I think artists, if sociopathic, are generally harmless because their talents are directed at some voluntary audience.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

People don't argue facts anymore, bro. Saying there's "a conservative Republican commentator on CNN" is the same as claiming there's "a Christian crusader in Caligula's forces". Likewise, "a token negro" is the same as "a runaway slave".

It's is absolutely imperative that the Democrats send out the cops and bounty hunters to enforce discipline and unquestioned authority amongst their political captive classes, just as it's only economic necessity to keep those Democratic Voter "immigrant worker" ships packed like sardine cans to squeeze as many Democratic Voters as possible into the hold, to get them here to vote Democrat in this "democratic crisis" for the great cause of Obama's "community organizational victory" come Nov. 6.

Former AG Eric Holder, who with Obama contrived the plan to provide guns to the Coyote Immigrant Escort Services are proud of their genius. Packing in the drugs to help reduce the whitey juvenile crop is just ICEing on their cake. But the reality of those modern slaver caravans losing a high percentage of their "cargo" is of no concern to "liberals" because it's the price of getting thousands across the border every day.

Of course, Trumps johhny-come-lately poorly-funded and disorganized efforts to save the kids from fentanal-ICEd pot and "build the wall" is just too damn ineffective to stem the tide, especially when there are already recruitment officers.... call them "slave recruiters" in place telling po' folks they can get them to the Streets of Gold and organizing those immigrant caravans.

The demographic warfare is working. Bill Gates is on the team, the UN is claiming supervisory authority over all immigrants everywhere, and clannish enclaves of like-minded citizens are being broken up everywhere, making police state governance the practical solution to angry mobs raging through the streets in murderous demonstrations against every conceivable "injustice" however trivial.

It's like having a Continental-scale Industrial Revolution licensed to pollute the world on one side of the Pacific, while taxing people who fart on the other side of the Pacific. It's a great plan that maximizes Statism everywhere.

facts and reasonable discussion are out. Hype and hyperbole are in.

Respect and civil society are gone. Today Rage and emotionally-unhinged rants are the rule.

Obama has indeed " fundamentally transformed America". A little Soros cash hiring mobs on the street helps, but the mainstream Press has done the job.

Wow. Think I need to re-read this. It does seem the media are going overboard to criticize Kanye for meeting with Trump. It's ridiculous really.

 

[babe]

Kanye has been diagnosed bipolar, but apparently he doesn’t take his meds because he doesn’t believe the diagnosis. That’s about my entire knowledge of the Kardashians.

Another convenient term with a tremendous scale in use.

I had a room-mate in college who went down to the welfare office and told some shrink about how he was Jesus' bride-in-waiting. They gave him rent and grocery money. He stocked up his Volkswagen van and disappeared into the Idaho woods. Told me that was where Jesus was.

Probably, Kanye doesn't need the welfare and can take care of himself just as well as my roomie.

Apparently, for some, it's just not OK for blacks to take care of themselves.

Pretty sure Kanye doesn't think Trump is Jesus.

 

[babe]

Wow. Think I need to re-read this. It does seem the media are going overboard to criticize Kanye for meeting with Trump. It's ridiculous really.

you got my point. It's getting hard to outperform media hype with my little rants, but I try. Really, I do.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

you got my point. It's getting hard to outperform media hype with my little rants, but I try. Really, I do.

I'm somewhat familiar with how ground has been prepared for socialist revolutions, historically speaking. It's a multi-step game plan that includes fomenting civil unrest, amplifying state-controlled demagogic media, dissolving of traditional culture and moral standards, increasing the authority of central banks (which happened long ago), setting one social class against another, and advocating for violence against those labeled as oppressors. Angry mobs are weaponized and used as tools to overturn the establishment.

In the end, I don't think such a thing will really come to fruition in the U.S., though a certain more leftist faction of people may advocate for it.

It seems to me that the more liberals and mainstream media follow Trump around and make disparaging remarks and hollow criticisms about literally everything he says and does, the more they appear not to have much of a clear direction of their own--as though their entire identity hinges upon opposing and criticizing Trump, whatever he does.

Initially, I thought Trump was being criticized for being a somewhat boorish, straight-talking business man, in other words, for being crude and uncultured. But now, that seems to have worn off, and the real animosity towards Trump is due to the fact that he represents a more conservative agenda and is bull-headed enough to push it ahead. A decade or more worth of social and political liberalism is being turned back, and leftist ideologies are being exposed in the process.

 

[babe]

No, babe, the fact is, you don’t get to decide who is a Republican or a conservative. Someone who has mainstream conservative values and votes and supports Republicans, as this CNN commentator has done, is actually a Republican. You don’t get to RINO her out of the Party because she is not reactionary enough for you.

alright. I'm ready to laugh at this.

yes, there is a huge range of "Republicans". yes. the RINO term attempts to disparage those who don't follow all the normative party platform or campaign promises more or less considered obligatory.

and yes, there was probably a very "Christian" soul in Caligula's forces whose personal values might have included some "Christian" precept or another.

But back in those days, there was no real benefit to hiring a token Christian or pretend Christian to try to bulk up some claim to impartiality or objectivity or diversity, to win wider credibility for the program.

I bet Jonah can't find one single ad or article, on Wikipedia or the whole internet served up by Google where Caligula's public relations team ever claimed to have a Christian in the forces, CINO or not.

but honestly, who would really believe a real Republican would work for CNN?????

and, btw, I thought most normally perceptive readers of my rant would see some hint of deliberate hype in it.

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well, really, just for laughs.