Lockout!!!

[InGameStrategy]

I realize that. The interesting thing would be if the governments actually had any leverage. Unless there's some enforceable clause in the contract I don't think they do.

Governments probably don't have legal leverage (although maybe there is something in some of the arena leasing contracts that would give them power to legally push them to an agreement, which is unlikely).

But if you're don't acknowledge that public entities can put public pressure on private ones (and vice-versa), then do a Bachmann-style google search and you'll find it.

 

[//r00t 4 Jazz]

For those claiming race has anything to do with this I would like to include the NHL in there with it and as pasty red head I could finally be included. Seriously though the NHL players made HUGE concessions and there was no race issues with that, but I know emotions and opinions can get pretty heated and that's not my intent.

 

[Deleted member 365]

lol.... Amare's such an idiot...

https://www.deseretnews.com/article/700189314/NBA-players-starting-a-new-league-Get-serious.html

Amare Stoudemire, the New York Knicks' star player, thinks he knows what the players can do if the upcoming NBA season is canceled. He and the other players have got it all figured out, and he wants you to know that he's "very, very serious" about it.

"If (the lockout doesn't) resolve then we're thinking about starting our own league," he says.

The devil is in the details. Do Stoudemire and the other players — if there really are other players considering this idiotic idea — have any idea what they would be getting into? Does he realize he would have to build and finance the construction of arenas or convince politicians to build them with public funding? Is he prepared to negotiate broadcasting rights? Or player salaries? Can he sell tickets?

Stoudemire not only won't make more money, he'll probably make less. He might have to take a pay cut or work without pay for a time while getting the league off the ground, using some of his own cash to finance this venture. He would have to actually work for a living. He would have to work more than the two or three hours he spends at practice or the 82 nights he plays games. He couldn't spend his free time playing video games and rolling with his homies. He would have to have a real grown-up job. He would have to sacrifice and work and use his tiny, previously unused brain.

The players don't realize how good they have it. What other business pays its employees 57 PERCENT OF ALL REVENUES!!! Not profits, but revenues. The answer is none. Nothing even close to that. They don't realize that the owners are supposed to make more money than the players because they're the ones who are incurring the risk when they finance teams and arenas. It's the way it works in the real world.

 

[GVC]

For those claiming race has anything to do with this I would like to include the NHL in there with it and as pasty red head I could finally be included. Seriously though the NHL players made HUGE concessions and there was no race issues with that, but I know emotions and opinions can get pretty heated and that's not my intent.

The players did make huge concessions, but this season they'll be collecting 57% of revenues because their share is on a sliding scale depending on total revenues AND there is a very good revenue sharing model in place. The owners won't consider either of those sensible ideas.

 

[GVC]

lol.... Amare's such an idiot...

https://www.deseretnews.com/article/700189314/NBA-players-starting-a-new-league-Get-serious.html

Amare might be an idiot, but so is the dude that wrote that garbage. That guy is a paid journalist? Yikes.

 

[Mission Accomplished]

I don't understand how players can collectively bargin anything else besides BRI. Because salary cap and revenue sharing is thing that the league should only have a say in. If the players want to work for the organization they should have to follow the rules that are set by the owners. I can't go to my job and not follow the rules that they have set and that they should negotiate with me all of their business decisions.

 

[margodydek]

if i were in charge of the players unions i would start collecting 10% dues every year for the next 10 years and then have the players union start their own league. the owners contribute nothing.

Once again, a really dumb post. Why the heck would the players agree to something like this. Do you really think they care about giving 10% of their checks to future players? So dumb. This is like me paying social security only when I finally retire, I don't get a dime .... oh wait.

 

[margodydek]

I don't understand how players can collectively bargin anything else besides BRI. Because salary cap and revenue sharing is thing that the league should only have a say in. If the players want to work for the organization they should have to follow the rules that are set by the owners. I can't go to my job and not follow the rules that they have set and that they should negotiate with me all of their business decisions.

It's called a union. Research it.

 

[idiot]

if i were in charge of the players unions i would start collecting 10% dues every year for the next 10 years and then have the players union start their own league. the owners contribute nothing.

A great idea!! If the players are serious about leaving a legacy for future players (and I think they are, even though they're also serious about getting their own money now), this may be the best thing possible for them. If they do this right (wisely make a plan that wouldn't benefit just the top 50 players), it will give them serious leverage in the next CBA negotiations. They may not be able to hold out for what they want in this agreement, but it will put them on a much stronger footing many years into the future.

 

[carolinajazz]

The owners won't consider either of those sensible ideas.

...the ONLY thing sensible is for the owners to shut down the league until the players agree to a 50/50 split.....a hard salary cap.....and have all players scrap those jailhouse tats off with broken beer bottles!

 

[sirkickyass]

Once again, a really dumb post. Why the heck would the players agree to something like this. Do you really think they care about giving 10% of their checks to future players? So dumb. This is like me paying social security only when I finally retire, I don't get a dime .... oh wait.

I'm pretty sure TIS is suggesting that current earners paying into the "new league fund" would have proportional shares of the league's value on the other end.

 

[GVC]

I'm pretty sure TIS is suggesting that current earners paying into the "new league fund" would have proportional shares of the league's value on the other end.

A lot of people don't seem to grasp that the players could hire people to run these franchises that they would collectively own, much like the current owners do.

I don't know that it would work that well, but if the season is lost, it would give the players some time to explore the viability of a project like that. That Amare didn't go to college is irrelevant.