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[babe]

You anti-authoritarian? No way!

I'm liking the name of your new party.

This grazing rights issue is right in your wheelhouse for sure.

Mia got the party nomination so does this mean she is pretty much a shoe-in to fill Matheson's seat?

I think she's vulnerable, but lovable nonetheless. Have you ever met her. Her immediate presence is compelling, nobody can just not like her.

She needs coaching on questions people ask because she's not really a politician. She's vulnerable to the extent that she just doesn't have that much sense, really. Somebody who'll always need other people to explain issues to her so she won't be saying ridiculously stupid things on air. . . . well. . . . I guess I wouldn't be much better. . . . . My wife, though, has got what it takes in the natural PR department, and she doesn't waste time telling people where she stands leaving no doubt at all that she knows what she's talking about and means it. . . . .

She is a candidate for the State School Board, but is very disappointed to find out how corrupt Utah is on that point. Do you realize that the sitting school board selects the three "finalists" for each election slot?? Then the governor gets to eliminate one, and the two left are the only ones we ever get to vote for? My wife says that's corrupt. The People do not have a significant say in who gets on the ballot for the government officials who have the most direct impact on their lives, particularly the lives of their children. The State School Board has more say on how more money is spent than even the State Legislature.

Out of 67 candidates who paid the filing fee, the insiders will pick their three cronies. .. . they even get to pick themselves. . . . and all the governor can do is eliminate the worst one. . .. or the best one. . . . as your interests may indicate. . . .

 

[PearlWatson]

I think she's vulnerable, but lovable nonetheless. Have you ever met her. Her immediate presence is compelling, nobody can just not like her.

She needs coaching on questions people ask because she's not really a politician. She's vulnerable to the extent that she just doesn't have that much sense, really. Somebody who'll always need other people to explain issues to her so she won't be saying ridiculously stupid things on air. . . . well. . . . I guess I wouldn't be much better. . . . . My wife, though, has got what it takes in the natural PR department, and she doesn't waste time telling people where she stands leaving no doubt at all that she knows what she's talking about and means it. . . . .

She is a candidate for the State School Board, but is very disappointed to find out how corrupt Utah is on that point. Do you realize that the sitting school board selects the three "finalists" for each election slot?? Then the governor gets to eliminate one, and the two left are the only ones we ever get to vote for? My wife says that's corrupt. The People do not have a significant say in who gets on the ballot for the government officials who have the most direct impact on their lives, particularly the lives of their children. The State School Board has more say on how more money is spent than even the State Legislature.

Out of 67 candidates who paid the filing fee, the insiders will pick their three cronies. .. . they even get to pick themselves. . . . and all the governor can do is eliminate the worst one. . .. or the best one. . . . as your interests may indicate. . . .

No, I didn't know about that awful system and I doubt many voters do.

I'd bet that even if you made this known to the voters they wouldn't care and nothing would change.

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Wouldn't she be somewhat insulated from criticism because of her race and gender or does that only work for Democrats?

I know the Saratogo Springs police force turned on her last election, though.

 

[babe]

No, I didn't know about that awful system and I doubt many voters do.

I'd bet that even if you made this known to the voters they wouldn't care and nothing would change.

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Wouldn't she be somewhat insulated from criticism because of her race and gender or does that only work for Democrats?

I know the Saratogo Springs police force turned on her last election, though.

I bet.

Knowing her just a little. . . . I'd say she expected them to do their jobs, or something like that.

 

[babe]

No, I didn't know about that awful system and I doubt many voters do.

I'd bet that even if you made this known to the voters they wouldn't care and nothing would change.



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Wouldn't she be somewhat insulated from criticism because of her race and gender or does that only work for Democrats?

I know the Saratogo Springs police force turned on her last election, though.

Possibly the one good thing about Common Core is that it is mobilizing some people to do something about the problems we have in our entrenched school officials. I know of some State legislature people who are working on a bill to make the School Board accountable, finally, to the voters. This is one thing we can change if very many of us will contact our legislative reps and governor.

 

[babe]

No, I didn't know about that awful system and I doubt many voters do.

I'd bet that even if you made this known to the voters they wouldn't care and nothing would change.

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Wouldn't she be somewhat insulated from criticism because of her race and gender or does that only work for Democrats?

I know the Saratogo Springs police force turned on her last election, though.

Definitely, that only works for committed Democrats. A black conservative who dares to stand up and make his/her presence known will draw even more venomous hatred and bile from our media than a redneck ever will.

 

[PearlWatson]

I bet.

Knowing her just a little. . . . I'd say she expected them to do their jobs, or something like that.

I think it was over promised raises or increases in wages that didn't happen, if I remember right.

I didn't realize how close her last election was.

Love lost the election to Jim Matheson by 768 votes out of 245,277 votes cast, a difference of 0.31%.

 

[PearlWatson]

Possibly the one good thing about Common Core is that it is mobilizing some people to do something about the problems we have in our entrenched school officials. I know of some State legislature people who are working on a bill to make the School Board accountable, finally, to the voters. This is one thing we can change if very many of us will contact our legislative reps and governor.

Good to know. I have a friend who is also a delegate, and a former teacher. I should ask her about it.

I do hear a lot of anti common core sentiment...

 

[PearlWatson]

Definitely, that only works for committed Democrats. A black conservative who dares to stand up and make his/her presence known will draw even more venomous hatred and bile from our media than a redneck ever will.

This is pretty funny from her wikipedia page:

She has said that if elected to Congress, she would “join the Congressional Black Caucus and try to take that thing apart from the inside out” and has described the Democrat-dominated Caucus as characterized by “...demagoguery. They sit there and ignite emotions and ignite racism when there isn’t. They use their positions to instill fear. Hope and change is turned into fear and blame. Fear that everybody is going to lose everything and blaming Congress for everything instead of taking responsibility.

 

[babe]

This is pretty funny from her wikipedia page:

She has said that if elected to Congress, she would “join the Congressional Black Caucus and try to take that thing apart from the inside out” and has described the Democrat-dominated Caucus as characterized by “...demagoguery. They sit there and ignite emotions and ignite racism when there isn’t. They use their positions to instill fear. Hope and change is turned into fear and blame. Fear that everybody is going to lose everything and blaming Congress for everything instead of taking responsibility.

I've heard her say that myself.

The way I read it, her life experience consists of seeing her parents, as immigrants from Haiti, believing in the freedom of America in the sense that this is a land of relative opportunity, and you can solve whatever problems you have by taking responsibility for yourself and working at whatever you can while using good sense about your expenses. Nothing like all the morose despair and dependency our great fascist/socialist intelligentsia/media have worked so assiduously at for over a hundred and fifty years, viewing the blacks as manipulable livestock with purchasable votes for enshrining themselves in political power and piles of payola.

Actually, the view I just laid out is an excellent basic framework for understanding how a racist elitist owning an NBA franchise might view his black players, as well as his sexual consorts of color.

Still, I don't think the media really thought that all through in the recent flap. Watch how it plays out to be the focus for a new major push on the demoncratic race card ticket for turning every Republican into the exact kind of racists they are. Barry O figures in that world view perfectly, from the standpoint of the really significant "money" figures behind our government.

She does present a challenge to the status quo that I am sure our media will all unite to shut down. Look for some kind of massive take down on her.

 

[PearlWatson]

Some interesting posts got lost in the Darwin thread:

In a hell that allows for redemption, I would accept redemption if I thought it were handled morally.

Please explain.

 

[babe]

Some interesting posts got lost in the Darwin thread:



Please explain.

I hope OB will answer this his own way, but I sorta get the idea, I think.

OB has worked out his own formula or set of standards for what he regards as moral. Basically, he has set a bar for God to jump to meet his standards.

I approach the problem in much the same way, except I figure God has set the bar, and I'm the jumper.

To a lot of Christians, that may seem to be a denial of Christ's atonement and redemptive power, especially as they sing a hymn like "Just As I Am, I Come", with the idea that nobody can be good enough without the forgiveness and advocacy and indwelling of Jesus.. . . the "we have all sinned" doctrine, which I see as valid in my own way. For Christians sometimes, the bar may be that simple confession of faith, but I notice even the most devout advocates of this doctrine so recognise that Christ's indwelling more or less means a transformation of what we are and a process of sanctification that brings us closer to being what God is.

I see nothing wrong with making a good effort so far as I can, while recognizing, with a good sense of humor about it all, just how far I am from what I should/could be.

I like Brigham Young's retort to some Mormon critics who were saying we're all going to go to Hell and suffer that Hell fire and torment:

"That may be so, but when we get there we'll irrigate the place and make a garden of it."

That might not be the exact words, but is the sense of it. . . .

The Dixie Cotton Mission, where my family was sent, was known as a particularly good example of that kind of Hell.

 

[One Brow]

Please explain.

OB has worked out his own formula or set of standards for what he regards as moral. Basically, he has set a bar for God to jump to meet his standards.

I approach the problem in much the same way, except I figure God has set the bar, and I'm the jumper.

The notion of being "jumper" means that I would expect one of us to change. I would not expect God to change for me, nor would I plan on changing for God. However, I do have standards that I think are required for a certain degree of fairness and justice, and I would not want the eternal company of a being I perceived as unfair and unjust.