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C l u t c H 385 said:
That's pretty much how laws work. As a society we decide what is or isn't OK. Most people think you shouldn't kill someone, so we make it illegal.
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Great... so gay marriage is illegal, correct?

I'm going to bed. Ya'll have painted yourself into a corner. Have a nice night.
 
Marcus said:
Poor attempt at deflection and misdirection... I'll ask again, does the majority rule or not? That's your argument. Animal cruelty is a federal offense because a majority of people say it is. If that's the case, gay marriage is illegal because a majority of people say it is. You can't pick and choose.
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Where is it written that you can't pick and choose? Equating the blatant torture of an animal to gay marriage is false analogy at its finest. Obviously common sense needs to be applied.
 
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Naw, it's cool.
 
Nothing against Vick, I just hope he dies, and all the dogs he personally drowned in his swimming pool come back and tear the crap out of his soul.

Also, Eagles fans can suck it.

Nothing personal.
 
The differences between many people on this isue boil down to making arbitrary distinctions: is a dog different from human, is an insect different from a dog.

That's very appropriate, because ultimately we all determine our morality from a few principes we choose for arbitrary reasons (we like the choice emoitonally, we believe the coice will help society, we believe the choice was made for us by some supernatural being, etc.). However, it also means that people will rarely convince each other in these situations.
 
Read this. It's a gem.

https://glossynews.com/society/2010...declaring-war-on-leather-at-motorcycle-rally/

Local and state police scoured the hills outside rural Johnstown, Pennsylvania, after reports of three animal rights activists going missing after attempting to protest the wearing of leather at a large motorcycle gang rally this weekend. Two others, previously reported missing, were discovered by fast food workers “duct taped inside several fast food restaurant dumpsters,” according to police officials.

“Something just went wrong,” said a still visibly shaken organizer of the protest. “Something just went horribly, horribly, wrong.”

The organizer said a group of concerned animal rights activist groups, “growing tired of throwing fake blood and shouting profanities at older women wearing leather or fur coats,” decided to protest the annual motorcycle club event “in a hope to show them our outrage at their wanton use of leather in their clothing and motor bike seats.” “In fact,” said the organizer, “motorcycle gangs are one of the biggest abusers of wearing leather, and we decided it was high time that we let them know that we disagree with them using it…ergo, they should stop.”

According to witnesses, protesters arrived at the event in a vintage 1960′s era Volkswagen van and began to pelt the gang members with balloons filled with red colored water, simulating blood, and shouting “you’re murderers” to passers by. This, evidently, is when the brouhaha began.

“They peed on me!!!” charged one activist. “They grabbed me, said I looked like I was French, started calling me ‘La Trene’, and duct taped me to a tree so they could pee on me all day!”

“I…I was trying to show my outrage at a man with a heavy leather jacket, and he…he didn’t even care. I called him a murderer, and all he said was, ‘You can’t prove that.’ Next thing I know he forced me to ride on the back of his motorcycle all day, and would not let me off, because his girl friend was out of town and I was almost a woman.”

Still others claimed they were forced to eat hamburgers and hot dogs under duress. Those who resisted were allegedly held down while several bikers “farted on their heads.”

Police officials declined comments on any leads or arrests due to the ongoing nature of the investigation, however, organizers for the motorcycle club rally expressed “surprise” at the allegations.

“That’s preposterous,” said one high-ranking member of the biker organizing committee. “We were having a party, and these people showed up and were very rude to us. They threw things at us, called us names, and tried to ruin the entire event. So, what did we do? We invited them to the party! What could be more friendly than that? You know, just because we are all members of motorcycle clubs does not mean we do not care about inclusiveness. Personally, I think it shows a lack of character for them to be saying such nasty things about us after we bent over backwards to make them feel welcome.”

When confronted with the allegations of force-feeding the activists meat, using them as ad hoc latrines, leaving them incapacitated in fast food restaurant dumpsters, and ‘farting on their heads,’ the organizer declined to comment in detail. “That’s just our secret handshake,” assured the organizer.

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C l u t c H 385 said:
Forgot about this thread...seems he conveniently did too...
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I'm still here. What's the point of continuing to post? I said my bit, you know where I stand. There's nothing more to be said.

LOL

"They peed on me!!!” charged one activist. “They grabbed me, said I looked like I was French, started calling me ‘La Trene’, and duct taped me to a tree so they could pee on me all day!”
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What the **** was the point in asking whether gay marriage is illegal? In places where most think it should be, it is. All it does is bolster my argument that we as a society decide what should and shouldn't be illegal/punishable, etc. What corner have I painted myself into as you claimed?
 
C l u t c H 385 said:
What the **** was the point in asking whether gay marriage is illegal? In places where most think it should be, it is. All it does is bolster my argument that we as a society decide what should and shouldn't be illegal/punishable, etc. What corner have I painted myself into as you claimed?
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Look at Cal. The majority voted to make it illegal but a vocal minority and a single judge have gone against the majority. I don't recall where you personally stand on the subject but many of the posters here think that gay marriage should be legalized regardless of what the majority wants. Then they turn right around and say animal cruelty should be a federal offense because it's what the majority wants.

I'm going to put this in writing one last time and then I'm done with this thread. I do NOT think it is OK to light cats on fire or torture a dog for personal pleasure. There is something wrong with a person that participates in such activity. That being said, I do NOT think such behaviour automatically buys one a reservation at the gray bay hotel. A fine or mandated service at an animal shelter, fine. Prison and a felony record? Not even close.
 
The majority voted to make it illegal but a vocal minority and a single judge have gone against the majority. I don't recall where you personally stand on the subject but many of the posters here think that gay marriage should be legalized regardless of what the majority wants. Then they turn right around and say animal cruelty should be a federal offense because it's what the majority wants.
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Isn't it the same thing you're doing, just in reverse?

As an aside, I really don't get too caught up in gay marriage debates. However, I will say that it makes more sense that the "people's will" is taken into stronger consideration in criminal matters while more civil issues such as gay marriage are decided with the goal of protecting people's rights.

And for the record, if I were forced to pick a position I'd say for gay couples civil unions are the way to go. If some other decision gets made I wouldn't feel strongly enough to protest or whine about it.
 
Bottom line is that animals are property and should be regarded as such by the law. 99.9% of people treat their own property well and protect it from others who might not treat it as well or who might steal it.

I wouldn't go so far as to say I'm an animal lover, but I've always had pets and treated them very well. In elementary school I, along with some of my good friends, were awarded the "Kindness to Animals" award (had never been awarded before or since) because we stopped several people from smashing duck eggs. My school was on the bank of the Jordan River and every spring the ducks would lay their eggs and students would smash them, sometimes with semi-developed ducklings inside. My friends and I were troublemakers, but something like the murderer who loves his mom and believes Jesus is his saviour, we didn't like people smashing duck eggs and killing ducklings, so we put a stop to it. In one instance a kid had kicked a hatched duckling into the river and we followed it down the river until we could bring it to shore. Unfortunately there were a few occasions where a human was harmed in defense of the ducks, and I'd do it again.

Also, my cat is part of my family. Not like my child, but my cat is part of my household. If someone was to bring harm to my household I would go outside the bounds of law to pay them some retribution, even if they "only" hurt my cat. I would, however, oppose a law that would send them to prison for animal cruelty.
 
On the issue of majority rules, this is the very reason the Bill of Rights was added to the Constitution. The majority can decide if tax money will be spent on a homeles shelter or an opera house, but cannot vote to deny me my rights. I'm not saying the majority hasn't denied the rights of individuals, it has happened hundreds of times and in some exteme ways, but the principles this nation was founded upon tell us it isn't right.

Pure democracy is two wolves and a chicken voting on what to have for lunch.
 
Marcus said:
many of the posters here think that gay marriage should be legalized regardless of what the majority wants. Then they turn right around and say animal cruelty should be a federal offense because it's what the majority wants.
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Regardless of anything else Marcus, I think you would have to acknowledge that I have never appealed to the "majority is always right and their wishes should always be followed" argument, even when it suited my own ends.
 
Gameface said:
On the issue of majority rules, this is the very reason the Bill of Rights was added to the Constitution. The majority can decide if tax money will be spent on a homeles shelter or an opera house, but cannot vote to deny me my rights. I'm not saying the majority hasn't denied the rights of individuals, it has happened hundreds of times and in some exteme ways, but the principles this nation was founded upon tell us it isn't right.

Pure democracy is two wolves and a chicken voting on what to have for lunch.
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But the Bill of Rights itself is something the majority agrees is good to have in place or else no one would follow it. It's the majority's way of preventing things (or eventually correcting them) before there is a specific future instance or context. Like not wanting to lose too much at the casino so you only bring $100 with you.
 
dogs are cuite, haha i used anti-bacterial hand soap on my hands jtoday and killed over 6 billion living organisims. michael vick to jail forever? yes. me not so much.
 
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