Et tu Brute
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Is onebrow for real in this thread?
Progress! i would like to congratulate liberals the victory they gained with a activist judge
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idestroyedthetoilet
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Typical gotcha post by Red.
You self absorbed, poor pity me and everyone for everything liberals are completely unrelatable to anyone with a sliver of a conscience. Just so you know.
Reagan appointed him gotcha gotcha gotcha. Give me a ****ing break with that disgusting response. I think mistreatment of women matters much more than your stupid political battle.
Stars Fan
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Hey!
layoff Red.
He was addressing the political taunt in the OP. Red did not introduce the buffoonery, so chill out.
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Red
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I'm not sure why or how Reagan's name appeared in bold type from the quote I pasted from the first of the two links I posted. It does not appear in bold type in the actual link, and I did not make it bold type myself. It was not really a "gotcha" effort on my part at all. Based on what Dutch said above, "welcome to progressive America", I just decided to see what info I could find on the judge in question. I asked myself "is this an obvious "progressive" judge?"
But, yes, I did think it unlikely that he was a "progressive" judge if he had been appointed by Reagan. I thought it informative to at least look at the judge's background and history in view of Dutch's words. No more then that; I am not really familiar with the issues involved at all. Maybe I should be, but I am not. But it was not intended as a "gotcha" per se, since FGM does not seem like a good thing to me, I'm just not familiar with this issue as much as some in this thread may be.
I also had in mind Trump's recent condemnation of the 9th circuit, and Justice Robert's claim that we have no Obama or Trump judges, Bush or Clinton judges, and now Trump's insistance that we do have Obama judges and they are biased against Trump. It just seemed useful to at least look at the judge's background in view of the Trump/Roberts exchange as well. I felt if Dutch was essentially saying this was the ruling of a "progressive" judge, then we may as well look at the judge. So I googled up a couple of pages. I think the fact that Reagan's name was in bold type could make it seem like a "gotcha" effort, but, again, I did not create the bold type, and it was nothing more then me providing background info on who appointed this judge, and some sort of resume of the judge. To me, at least, that's just objective info, and not an effort at gotcha at all.
Reagan appointed the judge. That's just an objective fact. Not a "gotcha" because I really don't know anything about this judge before this ruling, and I am not somehow pro-FGM.
Nothing wrong with looking closer at the judge is all....
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Red
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Yeah, I think that was about the size of it. Dutch seem to be saying progressives are pro-FGM, so I thought a look at the judge was in order. I am still unclear about the ruling or what it means going forward. I'm just not up to speed on the issue, and I thought it would be weird if progressives were pro-FGM. I think Dutch was wrong if that is what he was implying.
Red
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One could also look at it this way. Dutch seemed to be the one saying "gotcha" to liberals and progressives in both the title and his initial post in this thread. But, what evidence is there that liberals and progressives are active supporters of FGM?? I really did believe that must be an absurd claim. And looking at the judge involved seemed to be one avenue called for, in view of Dutch's "gotcha" comments. Dutch basically invited anyone reading this post to regard his comments as political. But, you can judge me as you please. I can't say I have a great deal of respect for many of your contributions here, and your judgement will just have to be water off a duck's back.
DutchJazzer
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Liberals love islamism! islamism has 1 goal. to submit the whole world to their political ideal! they will forbid freedom of speech. and turn america into a ********. with barbaric LAWS! welcome to ameristan!
that is my point for some reason as i posted in another thread they migrate to other countries, demand their countries change their ways and culture. and refuse to abide by western laws. and to not offend their political system called islamism. people allow it! this will lead to a civil war. another CRUSADE to drive these barbaric customs out of western culture. or maybe the whole world turns into islamism. and all girls will be forced into fgm! well. maybe thats why you need 2nd amendment to protect your daughters!
it is everyones duty to protect their loved ones with guns. that is not the governments job
edit: this is not an attack of freedom of speech, because i am not referencing the religion called islam. i am refrencing the political system called islaism, which has it own sets of rules and laws(frome conomic laws, to criminal law) it has nothing to do with religion. but islamism is about forcing sharia law on every single person. anybody has the right to be a follower of the religion islam but dont force it onto other people!
that is my point for some reason as i posted in another thread they migrate to other countries, demand their countries change their ways and culture. and refuse to abide by western laws. and to not offend their political system called islamism. people allow it! this will lead to a civil war. another CRUSADE to drive these barbaric customs out of western culture. or maybe the whole world turns into islamism. and all girls will be forced into fgm! well. maybe thats why you need 2nd amendment to protect your daughters!
it is everyones duty to protect their loved ones with guns. that is not the governments job
edit: this is not an attack of freedom of speech, because i am not referencing the religion called islam. i am refrencing the political system called islaism, which has it own sets of rules and laws(frome conomic laws, to criminal law) it has nothing to do with religion. but islamism is about forcing sharia law on every single person. anybody has the right to be a follower of the religion islam but dont force it onto other people!
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Just because a judge determines that a law is not valid based upon jurisdictional issues does not mean that anyone agrees with the underlying issue. So Dutch claiming that female mutilation is legal is not a valid claim. It just means that it is a state issue and not a federal one. I cannot imagine that any state in this country has declared that female mutilation is legal.
And I do not equate female and male mutilation as men can still enjoy sexual feelings after a circumcision. But I am getting less convinced that circumcision should be performed on babies who get no say in the matter.
And I do not equate female and male mutilation as men can still enjoy sexual feelings after a circumcision. But I am getting less convinced that circumcision should be performed on babies who get no say in the matter.
Red
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The United States is very different where cultural assimilation is concerned. By at least the grandchild generation of an immigrant generation, assimilation into American culture is quite evident. The difference in Europe seems to be immigrants from non Western cultures form enclaves and there is less assimilation overall.
Here in the United States, I have no problem at all with immigrants from any part of the world maintaining aspects of their home culture. Some people do. I have seen people attacked for simply speaking Spanish in a restaurant. Part of the reason is that we have a president who is a demagogue, and he has created a series of "others", to facilitate an "us vs them" mind set among those Americans who do not realize Trump is playing them, utilizing their fear and anger to cement his political power. Hence we have a rise of far right violence in the United States. The stats are there for anyone to confirm this trend. Among the "others" that Trump would have his base resent are Muslims, Hispanics, and blacks.
Nonetheless, assimilation is simply easier here in the states, and smother then it has been in Europe. We will not see Sharia law replace our Constitution. Trump is doing far more damage to our democratic institutions at the moment, or at least he is putting in every effort in that respect, particularly in his attacks on the judiciary, on our free press, and in his insistance that the Justice Department is his personal police force and legal team.
And I repeat the observation made earlier. By virtue of both the title of his thread, and the first posting in this thread, Dutch is saying that liberals and progressives are surely pleased with FGM. This strikes me as a ridiculous thing to say, without basis in fact at all. But, this particular poster has made rage his calling card, so, of course, there is that. 24/7 anger's not good for one's health.
Here in the United States, I have no problem at all with immigrants from any part of the world maintaining aspects of their home culture. Some people do. I have seen people attacked for simply speaking Spanish in a restaurant. Part of the reason is that we have a president who is a demagogue, and he has created a series of "others", to facilitate an "us vs them" mind set among those Americans who do not realize Trump is playing them, utilizing their fear and anger to cement his political power. Hence we have a rise of far right violence in the United States. The stats are there for anyone to confirm this trend. Among the "others" that Trump would have his base resent are Muslims, Hispanics, and blacks.
Nonetheless, assimilation is simply easier here in the states, and smother then it has been in Europe. We will not see Sharia law replace our Constitution. Trump is doing far more damage to our democratic institutions at the moment, or at least he is putting in every effort in that respect, particularly in his attacks on the judiciary, on our free press, and in his insistance that the Justice Department is his personal police force and legal team.
And I repeat the observation made earlier. By virtue of both the title of his thread, and the first posting in this thread, Dutch is saying that liberals and progressives are surely pleased with FGM. This strikes me as a ridiculous thing to say, without basis in fact at all. But, this particular poster has made rage his calling card, so, of course, there is that. 24/7 anger's not good for one's health.
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There are actual scientists who believe in creationism, as well. They are equally wrong.
There are no moneyed western groups interested in supporting FGM. If there were.such studies would exist.