The Thriller
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Not having Fox News and the toxic social media environment we have today.
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Yes, I was around. So many years ago, that always makes it tough to compare, because the emotional component of your memory is not there to the extent one’s emotions are in today’s climate. Certainly, the fact that Republicans did not rally around Nixon helped. The fact that Republicans played key roles on the Watergate Committee helped. People could see that both parties were going to deal with a president who was that willing to play outside the rules.
Nixon was not Trump. Nixon was a brilliant man, not a dolt. Today, to me, his transgression, spying on Democrats, seems light weight compared to Trump’s behavior. Since I very much leaned left, no love lost on Nixon for my part. He had promised to end the war, and that end was too long coming to please the anti-war movement.
An unpopular war, a hippie culture derided and hated by those we hippies called Rednecks. Very similar division, no? It was a type of culture war. Racial tensions, assassinations of JFK, RFK, MLK, massive demonstrations in Washington.
Yet, be it because of the distance of time, or the flip side, because today’s climate is right there in our face, I cannot really compare the Nixon years with the present. The present climate seems so much worse, so much more divisive, in part because both parties, and both bases are so hateful of the other. That was not the case back then, we’ll not to this degree I think. It was obvious then that it would not stop until Nixon saw the light and spared the country. And he did! Now, that is one hell of a difference.
I was young then. I was politicized for the first time in my life. Radicalized really. I saw through the lies I had been taught, as a result of the entire era, not just because of Nixon’s downfall. Maybe ending the war, and Watergate ending turned things around for a spell…
FWIW, I find today’s “morale” far, far worse than those years.
And yes, what @The Thriller said certainly helps make today’s climate worse. We had the three major networks then, and I guess PBS. We did not have talking heads driving home their bias, and in so many cases, their lies, night after night. Or the internet where we could all gather and treat each other like loving brothers and sisters
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Are you secretly Jason Bourne?Yes, I was around. So many years ago, that always makes it tough to compare, because the emotional component of your memory is not there to the extent one’s emotions are in today’s climate. Certainly, the fact that Republicans did not rally around Nixon helped. The fact that Republicans played key roles on the Watergate Committee helped. People could see that both parties were going to deal with a president who was that willing to play outside the rules.
Nixon was not Trump. Nixon was a brilliant man, not a dolt. Today, to me, his transgression, spying on Democrats, seems light weight compared to Trump’s behavior. Since I very much leaned left, no love lost on Nixon for my part. He had promised to end the war, and that end was too long coming to please the anti-war movement.
An unpopular war, a hippie culture derided and hated by those we hippies called Rednecks. Very similar division, no? It was a type of culture war. Racial tensions, assassinations of JFK, RFK, MLK, massive demonstrations in Washington.
Yet, be it because of the distance of time, or the flip side, because today’s climate is right there in our face, I cannot really compare the Nixon years with the present. The present climate seems so much worse, so much more divisive, in part because both parties, and both bases are so hateful of the other. That was not the case back then, we’ll not to this degree I think. It was obvious then that it would not stop until Nixon saw the light and spared the country. And he did! Now, that is one hell of a difference.
I was young then. I was politicized for the first time in my life. Radicalized really. I saw through the lies I had been taught, as a result of the entire era, not just because of Nixon’s downfall. Maybe ending the war, and Watergate ending turned things around for a spell…
FWIW, I find today’s “morale” far, far worse than those years.
And yes, what @The Thriller said certainly helps make today’s climate worse. We had the three major networks then, and I guess PBS. We did not have talking heads driving home their bias, and in so many cases, their lies, night after night. Or the internet where we could all gather and treat each other like loving brothers and sisters
The Thriller
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If Nixon had had this channel to throw nonsense like this up, he wouldn’t have resigned
Watch this entire thing and tell me again why Biden hasn’t “fixed” Covid. This is so ****ing dangerous and irresponsible
Watch this entire thing and tell me again why Biden hasn’t “fixed” Covid. This is so ****ing dangerous and irresponsible
Red
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I got to thinking about your question a bit more yesterday. It’s actually easy to identify what turned the “national morale” around. Simply put, the end of the Vietnam War. The Nixon years were all about ending that war, as he had promised he would do.
I believe the morale today seems worse to me, JMO, because the threat today feels more existential to me, as if we were heading down a road that we are going to regret like nothing before this, with the exception of the Civil War.
But, in terms of intensity, the Nixon years were part of one of the largest social movements in American history. It was far more demonstrative than anything we have seen in recent years these days. Not even close. Citizen activism dwarfed what we see today. And there was a left/right division symbolized by “Hell no, I won’t go”(left) vs. “America, love it or leave it”.(right) Groups like Students for a Democratic Society(SDS) carried out violent attacks. The massacre at Kent State on May 4th, 1970 galvanized the anti-war moment, as campuses nation wide went on a student strike.
So, those tumultuous times were like no other in my lifetime. But, that was then, and this is now. And now seems more precarious and dangerous to me, in terms of not losing something that I cannot always put my finger on, but obviously has to do with preserving free and fair elections, and preventing single party rule.
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I didn’t know whether to put this here or in the most punchable faces thread. But Bill Barr. read this tweet and the tagged tweet. Barr knew what trump was planning and did nothing to prevent it.
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Soooo uhhhh Ginni Thomas? We cool with the wife of a Supreme Court justice texting the chief of staff to plead to overturn election results? We cool with the justice covering for her and trying to block the release of Jan 6 communications? That’s just fine and dandy now these days since nothing ever matters?
Whether it's fine and dandy or not, there are five other justices covering for Ginni Thomas, so even an impeachment wouldn't change anything (and I'm not saying Thomas should be impeached over his wife's actions nor over a refusal to recuse).
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5 other justices covering from Ginni? How do you figure? He was literally the lone dissenting vote. Are we talking about different SC cases? Not only did he refuse to recuse himself (he should have due to his wife's involvement) but he was the lone dissenting vote (which looks at least unethical if not outright obstruction of justice).
Ginni Thomas Is a Total QAnon Fangirl, She Revealed in Texts to Mark Meadows
Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas’ wife referenced several QAnon conspiracy theories in texts to Trump White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows.
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We all know that Republicans won't do a damn thing. Trump, Thomas, Kavanaugh could literally crucify Christ and their base wouldn't care as long as Christ appeared to support CRT, Abortion, Socialism, Mr. Potato head, or whatever thing Fox News is raging about. The issue is attempting to hold these people to account. There's no way Republicans would let this pass if the shoe were placed on the other foot. Put Republicans on the defensive. Time to insist that ethics and/or law be upheld. While I'm unsure if the Thomas family has broken any laws, certainly the ethics have been broken. Chief Justice Roberts (and Thomas for that matter lol) have expressed interest in maintaining the appearance of the courts being legitimate and non-partisan. This certainly threatens that.
It's time to call for Thomas to resign. And it's beyond time for the DOJ to look into what Clarence knew about Jan 6 and when he knew it. If he was found colluding with the Trump admin in fomenting the insurrection or in obstructing justice, he needs to be prosecuted.
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It is time to call for Sonia Sotomayor to resign. Her hairsytylist's brother had a substance abuse problem which has clearly affected Sotomayor's impartiality on anything related to crime. Sotomayor needs to be investigated immediately and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law if it is found she in any way gave comfort or aid to her hairstylist's brother.
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Strange post
Strange is a very generous way to put it.
Al-O-Meter
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I thought The Thriller playing 6-degrees of Kevin Bacon to get Clarence Thomas to resign was funny.
Did Clarence Thomas make people storm the Capitol on January 6?
No, but he's married to Ginni Thomas.
Did Ginni Thomas make people storm the Capitol on January 6?
No, but she once sent a text message to the Chief of Staff.
Did the Chief of Staff make people storm the Capitol on January 6?
No, but the Chief of Staff worked for Trump and so Clarence Thomas has to resign now.
The Thriller gets angry when people chant "Lock Her Up!", but at least that is for stuff Hillary actually did. On the other side The Thriller wants people he sees as conservative to be prosecuted for things possibly done by someone who knows someone who has a tenuous connection to someone who knows the person he wants the government to eliminate.
gandalfe
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The fact that you can't see a difference between a wife and a fictional hairstylist's brother speaks wonders for your marriage.
The Thriller
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It also highlights a fundamental problem with our society, pampered idiots bored with life, obsessed with culture wars and partisanship not taking government seriously. They equate sexist or weirdo cultural issues to serious offenses detrimental to our democracy. You see this all the time from unserious people like Charlie Kirk, Donald Trump, and Tucker Carlson. It's a juvenile, "whataboutism" that is very damaging to our democracy. It's a defense they deploy when they know that what they're attempting to defend is indefensible so they try and "play it off."
Sure, Thomas's wife was working to overturn the 2020 election along with the President's Chief of Staff Mark Meadows. And boy, it sure seems like her husband, a Supreme Court ****ing Justice attempted to cover it up. And him being impeached/talked to resign would hurt my feelings because that would take the court down to a 5-4 conservative majority instead of a dominating 6-3. And I cannot admit defeat, I must own the libs! So I must engage in whatabout Hunter's laptop, CRT, and Hillary's email to hopefully filibuster this story away until the next newscycle.
A democracy cannot survive when 40 percent of the electorate and the majority of one of the two major political parties just refuses to play by the norms, rules, and laws set.
Again, could you imagine the meltdown on Fox News today if it was reported that a spouse of a liberal Supreme Court had been working to overturn the 2016 election and install Hillary Clinton as President? Could you imagine???
I hope posters remember this for when @Al-O-Meter pretends to be serious poster arguing in good faith. He isn't. He's just another troll. Bored with life and religion, using politics and trolling with politics as a form of entertainment. Someone who values pathetic culture wars and tribalism over the well-being of our democracy. I just have no respect for these losers.
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Al-O-Meter
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First, our country is a republic. Second, because you have done what you do with other people's kids for years leaves me with less than no respect for you. I used to be generally supportive of teachers and always gave the benefit of the doubt. After your example and what you've admitted doing in classrooms, I've changed my opinion. Teachers deserve all the scrutiny and more because there are people like you in the classroom.
At least with my asshattery with in-kind responses (I let Gameface's racism go unremarked until he tried to label me a racist and I do personally attack One Brow because he engages in more personal attacks than everyone else on this board combined) is at least limited to adults. If you want to live in your twitter bubble as you sink into anger then knock yourself out. It is a free country, but kids can't consent and don't know any better. What you do to them is wrong.
Al-O-Meter
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Maybe, or my ability to find humor in such things 'does volumes' for my marriage.
Identifying a habit of of lying is a service I provide to you, not a personal attack.
What are you saying The Thriller does to children, precisely? I haven't seen much there.
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I would say generally that those who can't tolerate what I have to say are people who do not treat others as they want to be treated.