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Should DL Trade Hayward?

sojodave

sojodave

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I know that some people in this forum love Hayward like he's chocolate cake, but it might be the smart thing to trade him before the deadline.

I'm still bent that we didn't sign Wes Mathews to a 6 million dollar deal, and we're considering Hayward as a 12 million dollar deal. Do we really want Hayward as a max player? He's shown that he struggles as the number one option. He certainly is not a clutch player and he is wildly inconsistent for a max player. If we trade him before the deadline, we could use 8 million instead of 12 million to find someone who doesn't go on these four or five game slumps every two weeks. If you were DL, would you trade Hayward before the deadline?
 
I agree that Corbin puts Hayward in tough situations which leads to him missing a few chippies, and then his mental weakness kicks in and another slump is created.
 
If there is a good offer on the table then I would deal him. Is there going to be a good offer on the table? I think we end up keeping him and overpaying him TBH.
 
sojodave said:
I know that some people in this forum love Hayward like he's chocolate cake, but it might be the smart thing to trade him before the deadline.

I'm still bent that we didn't sign Wes Mathews to a 6 million dollar deal, and we're considering Hayward as a 12 million dollar deal. Do we really want Hayward as a max player? He's shown that he struggles as the number one option. He certainly is not a clutch player and he is wildly inconsistent for a max player. If we trade him before the deadline, we could use 8 million instead of 12 million to find someone who doesn't go on these four or five game slumps every two weeks. If you were DL, would you trade Hayward before the deadline?
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12 mil a year is not a max contract. I believe a max deal would be about 13.5 mil. IMO it would be slight overpay for Hayward. Hayward is a legit starter in the league and should be paid about 9-10 mil a year. Also so what if we overpay him by about 3 mil a year? We have cap room to burn.

I think what this has been about for Hayward is proving that he shouldn't be a number one option. If you think he can be an efficient number 3 option on offense 9-10 mil a year is about right.

I miss Matthews too. If we kept him then maybe Deron wouldn't have become a sourpuss either.

If we can get value for Hayward we should trade him. But I don't think we would get great value for him right now. Do you think Washington would trade Beal for Hayward? Do you prefer Jeff Green over Hayward?
 
I cant answer this question without more info.

For instance, if we can sign him for 10 million or less then i say dont trade him.

Also it would all depend on what we were trading him for.

Hayward for lebron? Trade his ***.
Hayward for tyreke evans? Dont trade him.

Need alot more info to answer the question.
 
If we can get something good out of it, absolutely. Not sure I'd trade him to Boston, but Orlando.. Philly.. Kings.. Bucks..
 
Hayward want to eat up 20-25% of the cap as a strong role player. Trade his *** like Chicago traded their superior role player.
 
sojodave said:
I know that some people in this forum love Hayward like he's chocolate cake, but it might be the smart thing to trade him before the deadline.

I'm still bent that we didn't sign Wes Mathews to a 6 million dollar deal, and we're considering Hayward as a 12 million dollar deal. Do we really want Hayward as a max player? He's shown that he struggles as the number one option. He certainly is not a clutch player and he is wildly inconsistent for a max player. If we trade him before the deadline, we could use 8 million instead of 12 million to find someone who doesn't go on these four or five game slumps every two weeks. If you were DL, would you trade Hayward before the deadline?
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I would only trade Hayward if he has made it known to management that he doesn't want to be here or he will accept nothing less than $12m/year OR if there is a trade that makes the team better. I mean if some GM came to the Jazz with an unprotected 2014 pick and they were almost assured a top 3 pick then I would consider doing it. Why? because I think getting Wiggins or Parker make Hayward expendable especially since Burks is playing better. Unfortunately, no GM is going to do that!!

In my humble opinion, there is not one player on the Jazz that can't be traded. If Wilt/Jabbar can be traded then so any can player on this roster. I don't want to trade Hayward but if he demands too much $$$$$ then he is dead to me.
 
At this point, if we can get him for 11m a year I think we should be happy. I think he's staying; and I think the number might trickle north of 11. I really like Hayward in the right system/role, but I'm afraid we don't have that either. Bleh.
 
AS a RFA, Hayward would have value since the acquiring team knows they can match any offer. As cowhide said, Wilt, Jabbar have been traded. So have others like Deron, Carmelo, etc. so it depends on the offer. Of course Hayward isn't exactly in that category yet. I'm just not sure what package would get it done. Boston is probably not getting a top-3 pick. To ensure a top-5 pick (at worst), only Milwaukee and Orlando appear to be options.
 
Qman said:
12 mil a year is not a max contract. I believe a max deal would be about 13.5 mil. IMO it would be slight overpay for Hayward. Hayward is a legit starter in the league and should be paid about 9-10 mil a year. Also so what if we overpay him by about 3 mil a year? We have cap room to burn.
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That's a horrible attitude, and one I'm sure DL doesn't share. 3 mill/year is the difference between being able to make a free agent a 12 mill/year offer and a 15 mill/year offer. 3 mill/year can also allow you to absorb someone else's bad contract, picking up a pick in the process. Etc.
 
colton said:
That's a horrible attitude, and one I'm sure DL doesn't share. 3 mill/year is the difference between being able to make a free agent a 12 mill/year offer and a 15 mill/year offer. 3 mill/year can also allow you to absorb someone else's bad contract, picking up a pick in the process. Etc.
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When talking about player's contracts, it's amusing how some Jazz fans have no concept of money and act like it grows on trees. $3 million is $3 milliion, it's real money, not monopoly money. If you asked a typical Jazz fan to pay $25 for a cup of coffee "just because they have the money available to do so" I doubt there would be any takers.
 
It's all about the money and his contract. We already know who Hayward is and what he's capable of.He's a versatile glue guy who makes lots of things but not specialist any of them. He does not deserve 12 mil per year contract so if he wishes to earn more than 10 mil, better to let him leave.
 
Gotta love Hayward's consistency with being inconsistent...

Last 4 games: 39.3 min/game, (15-50) 30% FG, 4-12 33% 3PT, 12.8 ppg (jazz record 2-2)
Previous 4 games: 38 min/game, (39-65) 60% FG, 11-19 58% 3PT, 27.0 ppg (jazz record 2-2)
 
akirac73 said:
Gotta love Hayward's consistency with being inconsistent...

Last 4 games: 39.3 min/game, (15-50) 30% FG, 4-12 33% 3PT, 12.8 ppg (jazz record 2-2)
Previous 4 games: 38 min/game, (39-65) 60% FG, 11-19 58% 3PT, 27.0 ppg (jazz record 2-2)
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I pointed his inconsistency out before and an argument ensued. Good luck.
 
colton said:
That's a horrible attitude, and one I'm sure DL doesn't share. 3 mill/year is the difference between being able to make a free agent a 12 mill/year offer and a 15 mill/year offer. 3 mill/year can also allow you to absorb someone else's bad contract, picking up a pick in the process. Etc.
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If that 3 million a year means Hayward signs the extension instead of taking the qualifying offer and become a true free agent, I think it is worth the risk of tieing up the 3 million a year for the next 4 years.
 
On the radio, I heard that with the new bargaining agreement, the most we could pay Gordon is 12 million a year, but our advantage is we could offer him a fifth year where no one else can. I've been wrong before, but that's what I heard...I think.
 
sojodave said:
On the radio, I heard that with the new bargaining agreement, the most we could pay Gordon is 12 million a year, but our advantage is we could offer him a fifth year where no one else can. I've been wrong before, but that's what I heard...I think.
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You're wrong bro this years max after a rookie contract was $13,701,250(this number could be even higher next offseason) with a yearly raise of 7.5%. You're right on the 5th year but therefore he have to sign the extension and not go in to RFA.
 
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