Exactly what I was referencing. Does DL continue on the path he's been on, re-sign Hayward to a ridiculous contract that puts us in cap hell, and assures that we will never be more than a playoff team.... OR does he make a preemptive strike on the situation, move Hayward while he's at the peak of his value, and get a pick/young player that might be a star piece and could eventually bring the bulk of our young core to a championship. He had a golden oppurtunity at the draft for that necessary preemptive strike and he passed it by. I agree completely with you.
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Exactly what I was referencing. Does DL continue on the path he's been on, re-sign Hayward to a ridiculous contract that puts us in cap hell, and assures that we will never be more than a playoff team.... OR does he make a preemptive strike on the situation, move Hayward while he's at the peak of his value, and get a pick/young player that might be a star piece and could eventually bring the bulk of our young core to a championship. He had a golden oppurtunity at the draft for that necessary preemptive strike and he passed it by. I agree completely with you.
Coach Ellis
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You guys are all saying the same thing, and it still sounds as dumb as it did before the draft. There wasn't a star to be had by trading Hayward. The Jazz are committed to keeping him. Those who don't like it will just have to get used to the idea. Same narrative that a collection of posters had when he signed his max contract back in 2014. . . now we all wish they'd signed him to a longer contract.
More like the whole board... LOL
It's not dumb. I'm used to the idea, I know the Jazz will keep him because that's what they do. But I'll still speak out against it because it's a massive mistake. I want this team to win championships. I don't care about just getting to the playoffs anymore. I've seen dozens of playoff trips in my lifetime. Getting there means nothing. Winning it all does. You won't win it all by paying a third or fourth best player on a championship level team max money when you don't have that #1 or #2 guy. You just won't. Period. This team won't win a title with Hayward on the max. It won't happen.
Coach Ellis
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That may very well be the case, but I know they'll keep going on that treadmill if they trade their best players for the opportunity to draft Jaylen ****ing Brown or Jamal Murray. IMO, Hayward is better than a bunch of the guys who just got paid. I'd rather pay Gordon Hayward max money than Harrison Barnes or Mike Conley. DeRozan and Hayward are close. If Gordon will sign for what DeRozan did, then it's still better to keep him.
akirac73
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Bro, I'm all about getting on this hype train and I'm excited about seeing this team next season as much as the next guy, but c'mon, get a grip. This group of players has yet to play a single game together, has never won a single playoff game, and you're already proclaiming them as the best Jazz team ever, better than the Stockton/Malone teams that won the most regular season games in the 90's and went to 2 NBA Finals? Wow.
nateboz
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You're confusing what I'm saying. I'm saying the roster next year is better then the roster from 98. This team makeup has more versatility and height then any other roster Utah has ever had.
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Maneesh
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LOL WTF you say? Now I know idiot like crappy surf never insult jazz but you are even more the fool. Best roster ever? LOL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFLLOLOLOL
Maneesh
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I love Jazz. I love them so much, but when Jazz mania strike it on this board it is beyond the crazy imagination of any man. I am excite to see this one team, but be real we are so happy just to be 4th. we max hayward, we lose two core to do it, we mediocre for next 5 years with midling draft picks. this our reality.
Tom Pitt
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Give Stockton and Malone this roster in 97, 98, and we have two championships.
nateboz
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The funny part about this is that the actual treadmill move would be resigning Hayward. They re-signed Millsap and ruined a similar rebuild. Before that, they paid too much for AK and limited their rebuilding oppurtunities. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. We've been down this path of overpaying decent players and it results in failure everytime. The issue isn't Hayward, it's the situation. In an ideal world we would keep Hayward. Great guy, good player, the type of guy you want on your team. But in the current situation you can't keep him and win. There is no path with him on a max deal that ends well. Because you have to pay Gobert, Favors, Exum and Hood right after him. Go through the scenarios. Who do you lose because of his contract effecting cap space? How do you improve with no cap room and poor draft picks? Most importantly, where do you find your star?
Jaylen Brown and Jamal Murray might not be stars. Personally I would have taken Boston up on the #3 pick to take Buddy Hield. I do think he'll be a star. But whether anyone we could have taken at #3 would or would not have been the star we need is irrelevant. The key thing we gain from trading Hayward is just as valuable, time. Time can be everything. With Hayward's massive contract not in our way we can resign Gobert, Favors, Exum and Hood without touching the cap. And we would still be competitive. If the #3 pick hits and is a star, we are perennial championship contenders. If not, we bought ourselves several years to find that star.
Douchebag K
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Not what I said at all. Read my post. Reading comprehension is poor on the internet these days. Yes, I believe Hield has a chance to be a star in the NBA. He's an elite prospect when it comes to scoring. Better than Hayward? Who knows. We'll see. But whether he became a star or not isn't the point of the trade. The point is to save your young core and give yourself time to find a star player. If that star player was that #3 pick, perfect.
Douchebag K
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The prospect of a star at #3 are so incredibly small that's a ridiculous gamble. Much more likely one of our young guys makes big leaps and becomes a star.
Trading the best player because he's not quite good enough and somehow continuing to hope that another draft pick is a superstar is an exercise in futility. Build a really good team, become a top 4 team in the west, and hope either one guy takes off or a few events go in your favor
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This.
We baked the cake and ruined the franchise.
July 2009. The Blazers offer Paul Millsap a 4 year 32 million dollar offer sheet. The Jazz match which put them over the luxury tax and limited their financial flexibility and ability to improve the team. February 2010, the Jazz trade Ronnie Brewer to cut some of the financial burden. July 2010, the Jazz let Carlos Boozer walk in free agency. February 2011, frustrated after losing his friend (Brewer), and losing a guy he won a lot of games with (Boozer), and fed up with the lack of ability the team had to bring in talent to put around him (because there was no money) Deron Williams demands a trade. If the Jazz made the correct move and traded Millsap well before his free agency then Brewer, Boozer and Deron all likely stay. You add to the group a young Hayward and whatever pieces you received from a Millsap deal and you have a stable future. Instead, a Western Conference Finals team evaporated quickly because they overvalued one player.
I'll be here. 45% on threes, 50% FG, 88% FT on high volume shooting, with defenses focusing solely on him. That's rare. And highly translatable.