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Ok. I watched the Trump video. I expected far, far worse tbh.

He wasn’t mocking her. He was pointing out her ability, or lack there of, to have any consistency to her story. It was still in poor taste to do it, but mocking her? We’ve seen Trump mock people. This wasn’t it.

Yeah, well, be that as it may, you're entitled to see it as you wish, don't need me to tell you that, but key Republican votes saw it as mockery. And they weren't alone. It was a very mocking tone, IMO....

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/10/03/politics/jeff-flake-donald-trump-christine-blasey-ford/index.html
 
If, as reports indicate, the results of the FBI investigation will be delivered to the Senate as early as today, it's very hard for me to see how this can possibly be seen as a credible effort. Certainly not by Democrats, and I don't envision Sen. Flake or other swing votes seeing this as credible either. I mean, really, are we kidding ourselves here? Limited investigation, OK, but this?:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna916146
 
I think we all know how tribal politics in America has become. Now, some have argued that both sides, Democrats and Republican, are to blame for the state of affairs in which we find ourselves. And some believe that we should not really be taking sides simply because we contribute to tribalism. I assume, at least, that this is what such a point of view regrets. In going tribal, for instance, we basically abandon one of the chief definitions of politics: politics is the art of compromise.

My own point of view is that, while I lament, to no end really, our inability to seek compromise, our consistent tendency to talk past each other, I do recognize that taking sides is not, in and of itself, something we therefore must avoid. I mean there still exist fellow citizens of mine that wish the South had won the Civil War. We took sides then, one side was right, one wrong. Both were not equally to blame, INHO.

Sometimes one is forced to take sides. Better to just admit it, and allow it to play itself out, then constantly insist both sides are equally at fault. Overall, I am forced into the position of believing Republicans are representing retrograde positions in relation to our future as a nation. On many levels, from being among the leaders of global warming deniers, to resisting demographic changes that threaten to make "whites" a minority in America, to supporting Trump defining our present Supreme Court nomination "crisis" as a front in a "war on men". For instance, this administration just released a scientific report which actually backed the conclusion that the Earth would warm by 7 degrees by 2100, and at the same time the same administration is insisting that regulations regarding the release of methane into the atmosphere by the fossil fuel industry be eliminated. And it is a Republican administration. It is damn hard for me to not take sides, tribalism or no tribalism.

I have nobody on ignore on this forum. I honestly perceive that Thriller keeps on top of things where this administration is concerned. And he often summerizes his points of view succinctly, and representing well the side on which he finds himself.

Sometimes you have to take sides. And this is one such time in our history. Our president might try to bridge the gap. He might try to act as a president for all Americans. He has never done so. And I am not on his side. And neither is Thriller. It's alright to be angry at Republicans. As far as I am concerned they represent retrograde forces in American society at this time in our history. They do speak for many. Unfortunately. It is what it is. I wish it were otherwise, but I for one will not apologize( and nobody has asked me to, of course) for knowing what side I am on and voicing the point of view I do, nor should Thriller be singled out as being over the line simply because he pulls no punches for knowing what side he is on. I believe he cares for his country just as much as those who back Trump to the hilt care for their country.

To me he is an articulate Dutch, nothing more.

I agree that sometimes you have to take a stand. Absolutely. Where I disagree is that this stand must be team A or team B. Not liking one team says nothing, absolutely nothing, about ones feelings for team B.

I openly disparage and ridicule them both. To me trying to assign who the bigger group of assholes and degenerates is wasted effort. Do we really care that one mountain of **** is 5 miles high and the other is 20 miles high? Either way we drown in ****.

Yes, I hope the Ds take the House. Mainly to slow down the Rs. I wanted the Rs to take a house under Obama for the same reason. I have zero faith in either party. And loudly call for expanded parties and push people to break the R and D mold.

Is that itself not a stand. Enough ******** already.

Oh and don’t confirm Kavanaugh. He’s not the right person.
 
Short version. Of course, in classic Archie Moses style, you'll deny any responsibility for the contents of what you post. You're just not capable of doing your own research. I just wish you were adult enough to own up to your support for this type of stuff, rather than going through the pretense of being unsure.

1) I do deny responsibility for what I shared because a) I didn't write it and b) I posted it to see board member's takes on it. In other words, I'm behind on being caught up on this whole thing and an trying to see what I should believe. You mad?

2) I'm capable of doing my own research. I haven't been too interested in this whole thing until it started popping up everywhere. The problem is, I keep seeing polarized opinions of what happened or even articles that are misleading or missing facts. I mean, is it that bad I use jazzfanz to ask about polarized, agenda pushing versions of the story?

3) What do you even mean by being adult enough to own up to my support of this? You're god awful at assuming what I think or translating my posts to get more out of them than their face value.

I'll tell you what I think. I think this whole thing is absurd. I think bipartisanship creates super huge **** knuckles that are blind by their biases. I think Inga Katinka Bahova Kavanaugh vanaugh vanaugh and Ford are very dislikable, but creating a culture of condemning someone with no evidence, holes in your story, and because it puts you on a moral, political high ground is dangerous - as much as I dislike Kavanaugh.

Stop being such a shower glue girggler and thanks for taking the time to respond to what I asked.
 
It’s obvious he’s regurgitating the nonsense spewed by the likes of Hannity, Shapiro, and Kirk. He’s balls deep into some pretty ****** alt right media while pretending to be level headed and moderate.

My post was a Facebook comment I copied and pasted (reading is hard, right?)
I don't know who Hannity or Kirk are. I do like Shapiro though. However, I've admitted things I don't like about him and have distanced myself from him to a certain degree.

Please, do tell me how far right I am. Am I a neo Nazi too? How bout a racist and sexist? Just want to make sure you check off all of your go to's when you don't have the facts and lump everyone who differs in opinion with you as the evil far right.

I'm not a Republican. I do have some conservative views. I do have some progressive views. I'm capable of distancing myself from parties. I'm capable of not lumping people in with their parties.

Yeah, I'm so not level headed and moderate. You twit knuckle.
 
Yes good point. I’m just making fun of those who still claim no difference between the two parties and who will somehow still blame democrats for Trump’s completely absurd, cruel, and inappropriate comments. But such is life. Partisan hacks gotta do their thing
What about dumb ****s like you who lable Trump haters as far right?

This ****ing guy...
 
1) I do deny responsibility for what I shared because a) I didn't write it and b) I posted it to see board member's takes on it. In other words, I'm behind on being caught up on this whole thing and an trying to see what I should believe. You mad?

No, just hopeful to help you find a truer version of yourself. For example, whenever you post one of these things to get member's takes, it's always from some conservative agitator with a less than rigid adherence to the truth. I don't see you positing anything from similar left-wing sites.

2) I'm capable of doing my own research. I haven't been too interested in this whole thing until it started popping up everywhere. The problem is, I keep seeing polarized opinions of what happened or even articles that are misleading or missing facts. I mean, is it that bad I use jazzfanz to ask about polarized, agenda pushing versions of the story?

Seek out less polarized takes, if all you see are the polarized ones. Neutral sources exist. Also, seek out views from the liberal side as well as the conservative. Synthesize all three.

3) What do you even mean by being adult enough to own up to my support of this? You're god awful at assuming what I think or translating my posts to get more out of them than their face value.

I mean that you have a clear preference for conservative rhetoric, but hide behind a facade of independence. It's OK to be a conservative; there are plenty of thoughtful, principled conservatives. I may disagree with them on various fundamentals and on bedrock principles, and I argue with them far more passionately than needed at times, but I can still appreciate that they are trying to interpret the world in the most accurate and honest way they know how.

I'll tell you what I think. I think this whole thing is absurd.

Certainly, the process has been an embarrassment for our country.

but creating a culture of condemning someone with no evidence, holes in your story, and because it puts you on a moral, political high ground is dangerous - as much as I dislike Kavanaugh.

When did testimony from a victim/eyewitness stop being "evidence"?

Stop being such a shower glue girggler

There's such a thing a shower glue?
 
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