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The Real Decision - Gobert and Burke

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The good news is that this really does look like a deep draft and having the number 5 pick is not a bad place to be. The other good news is that the Jazz still have assets that are valuable and a lot of cap space to play with. So making a move is still very possible. Obviously getting in the top 3 would have been great and it would have made a lot easier decision making.

Now that you are at 5, there are two players you have to make a call on. First, do the Jazz believe Gobert can be a starting center on a contending team? If so, you use Kanter as trade bait to try and move up or get another asset. Second, do you believe Trey is your point guard of the future? If not, you package him for some kind of deal. That is what picking 5th does for us - you have to make a call on those two guys, perhaps earlier than you wanted to make that decision.
 
Too bad we don't know how good Kanter, Gobert and others are because of Corbin's agenda.

It would make this process much easier.

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If any combination of any of our players helps us move up or acquire a top 4 pick, then we absolutely do it this year. At least consider it. The only player I see the jazz having any hesitation at all to include in a deal is Derrick favors.

Hayward can't be traded at this point, at least not until like July in a sign and trade, so that would leave Alec, enes, Burke, gobert and any other asset we have accumulated. For Dennis Lindsey, I think there is not much that is off limits as far as trades go. We might see some surprises.

The only thing I don't want though, is to get the same type of players and assets that we are giving up. The only move we need to be making is to get a star.
 
gomretat said:
Now that you are at 5, there are two players you have to make a call on. First, do the Jazz believe Gobert can be a starting center on a contending team? If so, you use Kanter as trade bait to try and move up or get another asset. Second, do you believe Trey is your point guard of the future? If not, you package him for some kind of deal. That is what picking 5th does for us - you have to make a call on those two guys, perhaps earlier than you wanted to make that decision.
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b_line said:
The only thing I don't want though, is to get the same type of players and assets that we are giving up. The only move we need to be making is to get a star.
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I agree on both points. Jazz are looking to improve the quality of their core, not go sideways.
Utah will have great depth: Favors, Kanter, Hayward, Burks, Burke, Gobert, the #5, the #23. Perhaps Neto gets added to that group. And add in cap space to acquire a couple of FA's. All of a sudden, there are too many good, but not great, players and not enough PT to go around. So the solution is to try to move a couple to acquire an all-star. Sure it hurts depth, but it has to be done.

Unless Utah gets Embiid, though, I would be hesitant to trade Favors or Gobert; 5's are just too difficult to come by in this league and I think Gobert has shown too much potential. At least let him really make a mark this season. Then he really increases his trade value.
 
I think everyone needs to let the smoke clear and see what happens during the workout progress. If Embiid isn't healthy then the draft will change or if any team above Utah trades their picks. Smart might go to Orlando and blow them away and they end up taking him over Exum. Vonelh and Randle could change people minds. Yes it is disappointing that the Jazz dropped but there are still very good players available at 5. I know our record sucked last year but there were many games where the Jazz out played the other team and lost going down the stretch. Jazz would not have started 1-14 if Burke started day 1. The West is a killer conference but with a excellent coaching upgrade and two very good players and improvement within the glass is not half empty.
 
b_line said:
If any combination of any of our players helps us move up or acquire a top 4 pick, then we absolutely do it this year. At least consider it. The only player I see the jazz having any hesitation at all to include in a deal is Derrick favors.

Hayward can't be traded at this point, at least not until like July in a sign and trade, so that would leave Alec, enes, Burke, gobert and any other asset we have accumulated. For Dennis Lindsey, I think there is not much that is off limits as far as trades go. We might see some surprises.

The only thing I don't want though, is to get the same type of players and assets that we are giving up. The only move we need to be making is to get a star.
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I agree not sure why this "decision" just comes down to Burke and Gobert. You can certainly say that about the entire roster including Favors. IMO Burke has the potential to be the best player out of your entire core. Usually players make the biggest leap with 2 or 3 years. So while guys are super young and that always bolds well for improvement I think Burke is the guy to expect the biggest leap from.
 
gomretat said:
The good news is that this really does look like a deep draft and having the number 5 pick is not a bad place to be. The other good news is that the Jazz still have assets that are valuable and a lot of cap space to play with. So making a move is still very possible. Obviously getting in the top 3 would have been great and it would have made a lot easier decision making.

Now that you are at 5, there are two players you have to make a call on. First, do the Jazz believe Gobert can be a starting center on a contending team? If so, you use Kanter as trade bait to try and move up or get another asset. Second, do you believe Trey is your point guard of the future? If not, you package him for some kind of deal. That is what picking 5th does for us - you have to make a call on those two guys, perhaps earlier than you wanted to make that decision.
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If Gobert can be a starter, why trade Kanter? If it was favors and gobert, we have little scoring from the bigs. Kanter + Gobert seem a better combo.

As to Burke, I may not have watched enough to know for sure, but it seems like he lacks essential quickness: he could not get around guys and into the lane. Am I wrong about that? If not, that makes him a mediocre starting pg. Maybe good enough considering the other pieces, but only a role player, at best a Mike Conley type guy
 
orangello said:
Too bad we don't know how good Kanter, Gobert and others are because of Corbin's agenda.
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Kanter played the sixth-most minutes on the team, and of the bigs, only Favors played more. You object to Corbin's agenda to give the young bigs the most minutes?
 
gomretat said:
Now that you are at 5, there are two players you have to make a call on. First, do the Jazz believe Gobert can be a starting center on a contending team? If so, you use Kanter as trade bait to try and move up or get another asset. Second, do you believe Trey is your point guard of the future? If not, you package him for some kind of deal. That is what picking 5th does for us - you have to make a call on those two guys, perhaps earlier than you wanted to make that decision.
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Even if he can't be a starter, Gobert can and will be a very good back-up center, and those are also rare. If we don't pick up a major big in the off-season, there will be plenty of minutes for Favors-Kanter-Gobert. Unless Embiid falls to 5, that's our likely big rotation next year; why make a so-called decision on any of them?
 
One Brow said:
Kanter played the sixth-most minutes on the team, and of the bigs, only Favors played more. You object to Corbin's agenda to give the young bigs the most minutes?
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Who played more minutes, Kanter or Marvin?

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If I had to choose between Kanter and Favors, I would trade Favors. His salary is higher, he seems to have peaked, he doesn't seem to be very aggressive. Kanter is a year younger than Favors, and has had much less playing experience, yet has grown in leaps and bounds every year. His footwork is much better than favors, and his offensive ceiling is a lot higher. This is very rare in a big man. Favors has a limited offensive arsenal.

I like what I see from Enes, I just think he was used inefficiently. I really want to see how Enes plays under a good coach. I'd hate for the team to trade the wrong guy, especially if it is just to move up in this draft. I am not as in love with the top four prospects as others seem to be. They all appear to be a bit of a gamble.

As far as Burke goes, I don't see how he is a long-term solution for this team. He isn't a great defender, lacks size compared to many PGs, etc. A new coach may make a big difference for him as well, but I haven't liked what I have seen from him.
 
One Brow said:
Kanter played the sixth-most minutes on the team, and of the bigs, only Favors played more. You object to Corbin's agenda to give the young bigs the most minutes?
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6th most was not enough.

Also he should have been in at the same time with favors more.

So you think playing favors and marvin together more than favors kanter helps the jazz going forward more
 
fishonjazz said:
6th most was not enough.

Also he should have been in at the same time with favors more.

So you think playing favors and marvin together more than favors kanter helps the jazz going forward more
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So smart. I'm glad someone else sees it.

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JAZZGASM said:
If I had to choose between Kanter and Favors, I would trade Favors. His salary is higher, he seems to have peaked, he doesn't seem to be very aggressive. Kanter is a year younger than Favors, and has had much less playing experience, yet has grown in leaps and bounds every year. His footwork is much better than favors, and his offensive ceiling is a lot higher. This is very rare in a big man. Favors has a limited offensive arsenal.

I like what I see from Enes, I just think he was used inefficiently. I really want to see how Enes plays under a good coach. I'd hate for the team to trade the wrong guy, especially if it is just to move up in this draft. I am not as in love with the top four prospects as others seem to be. They all appear to be a bit of a gamble.

As far as Burke goes, I don't see how he is a long-term solution for this team. He isn't a great defender, lacks size compared to many PGs, etc. A new coach may make a big difference for him as well, but I haven't liked what I have seen from him.
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Bingo. Kanter has the heart and ability to improve.Burke is not the long term answer.trade while his stock is high,draft Smart,bring in Neto.
 
JAZZGASM said:
If I had to choose between Kanter and Favors, I would trade Favors. His salary is higher, he seems to have peaked, he doesn't seem to be very aggressive. Kanter is a year younger than Favors, and has had much less playing experience, yet has grown in leaps and bounds every year. His footwork is much better than favors, and his offensive ceiling is a lot higher. This is very rare in a big man. Favors has a limited offensive arsenal.

I like what I see from Enes, I just think he was used inefficiently. I really want to see how Enes plays under a good coach. I'd hate for the team to trade the wrong guy, especially if it is just to move up in this draft. I am not as in love with the top four prospects as others seem to be. They all appear to be a bit of a gamble.

As far as Burke goes, I don't see how he is a long-term solution for this team. He isn't a great defender, lacks size compared to many PGs, etc. A new coach may make a big difference for him as well, but I haven't liked what I have seen from him.
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Brook Lopez is the best offensive center in the league and he doesn't play good D. His team got better when he went down.

This reality has me worried about centers who aren't good at defense. Kanter isn't near as good as Lopez and just as bad at D.


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