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The Ringer: Are The Utah Jazz Ready to Contend?

To put this another way, DM is the only player other than Carmelo Anthony in something like 50 years to take 35 shots (only 31 points) without getting an assist. Not good company.


When DM chucks, Utah loses:

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Utah Jazz
Bad Games
: Donovan Mitchell (8)
Record in Bad Games: 1-7 (.125)
Record in All Other Games: 49-25 (.662)

When Mitchell’s shot isn’t falling, he isn’t shy about forcing it. Mitchell holds the dubious honor of the most points in a bad game, when he got 32 points, took 35 shots (13-35 FG, 1-11 3PT) to get those 32 points, and the Jazz lost to the 76ers 113-107.

Mitchell is a lot like Westbrook when he’s at his worst, gunning his team clean out of games, and it’s why the Jazz were a sitting duck for the Rockets in the playoffs."

http://paceandspacehoops.com/how-much-do-high-volume-low-efficiency-shooters-hurt-nba-teams/


I know we all like DM but why in the world are people so blinded that they cannot see his inefficiency?
I agree he is inefficient, my contention is that it is more circumstantial than existential. In that game you noted, what was the defensive scheme? How was the rest of the team performing? How many open shooters did Mitchell ignore to take his own shot instead? What was the health of the rest of the team? These do not occur in a vacuum. This is kind of like taking a paragraph out of context. What was the context?
 
Or things are going right. He could crack the rotation without us sucking. He’s an Exum injury away from seeing regular floor time.
So November then?
 
Luckily he isn't our 7th or 8th man.
Conley
Mitchell
Bojan
Green
Gobert
Jingles
Royce
Davis
Niang


Then maybe mudiay. So at best he is our 10th man. Along with Bradley, the 2nd rounders, Howard, kidd, and Goss he will be a garbage time player.

I know you weren't arguing that he is a 7th or 8th man. I was just helping to prove why.

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He probably the last perimeter player.
 
I’m not convinced Mudiay is just a garbage time player. Now, I’m not suggesting he’s a 25 mpg guy, or even 20 mpg, but dude just scored 15 ppg and could have landed on a team offering more time and a hell of a lot more money. I have a very hard time believing he came on a one-year minimum deal (being paid less than he ever has) just to string up a lot of DNPs. He didn’t sign a minimum deal for 7 mpg and Quin’s cool 3 hour practices. The 3 hour practices may be good but they’re not that good.

I think it's kind of forgotten that he and Green are former Lottery picks. Not only that but they both had mostly starts last season when active. Green may get some starts this season but Mudiay can't be looking at starting unless Conley or Mitchell go down with injury. I think they both identified a possible contender in Utah with a chance to contribute. They can both play three positions if necessary. I do hope that they keep them both happy and find minutes for both because they both can help us IMO.
 
I’m not convinced Mudiay is just a garbage time player. Now, I’m not suggesting he’s a 25 mpg guy, or even 20 mpg, but dude just scored 15 ppg and could have landed on a team offering more time and a hell of a lot more money. I have a very hard time believing he came on a one-year minimum deal (being paid less than he ever has) just to string up a lot of DNPs. He didn’t sign a minimum deal for 7 mpg and Quin’s cool 3 hour practices. The 3 hour practices may be good but they’re not that good.
He couldn't

The dude has been trash his entire career. This is potentially his last NBA contract.
 
He couldn't

The dude has been trash his entire career. This is potentially his last NBA contract.
It's pretty clear from the reporting around his signing that Mudiay realizes he needs to seriously improve his game if he wants to stick in the NBA. Our player development had as much to do with anything as to why he chose Utah. That said, if someone was going to offer him more than the minimum, I'm sure he would have taken it.
 
If Mudiay can play some D, maybe he can be a rotation player when someone goes down, but he is really bad on D. Like Grayson Allen level bad. Just look at Exum's game against the Knicks. It's incredible.
 
The notion that the narrator emphasizes about superstar gap is overrated. Of course it would not hurt to grab one, but it actually might because there already are pretty good scorers out there and a ball hog would demoralize them and affect the chemistry. And those gatherings off superstars don’t necessarily work all the time. Depth and chemistry brings deep offseason success, not gathering a bunch of alpha dogs that suddenly realize they have a contender inside their team. People forget Pistons and Mavericks too fast.
 
These guys are coming into the season with PPG last season;

Bogdanovic 18.0
Mitchell 23.8
Conley 21.1
Gobert 15.9
Mudiay 14.8
Ingles 12.1
Green 12.3

Total: 118

Lebron& Kuz&AD: 72
Kawhi&George&lou: 74
And stuff...
 
Lets go back 4 years and see what they were saying about him coming into the league.

NBA Comparison: John Wall
Strengths: Rare combination of size, speed, agility and athleticism to go with the vision and mentality of a point guard … Has great intangibles with natural leadership and communication skills ... Also an extremely competitive kid who rises in big situations and has a killer instinct ... Very quick first step and adept ball skills that really help him when attacking the basket … Showed in China he was adept at absorbing contact and still finishing the play ... Has added strength and was not overwhelmed by the pro game physically … Really difficult cover in transition, great at pushing the ball on the break with explosive ability to finish while also being an adept passer on the run ... While he possesses great quickness at 6’5, he's also quite good at using change of speed and direction … Good passer, has run the point throughout his life and is a creative passer who is good at finding his teammates in scoring position … Very good at creating for himself, getting to spots where he can get good looks at the basket … Understands the pick-and-roll quite well, should thrive as he learns to run it against NBA competition … Really good with the in-out dribble, particularly with his strong right hand … Has shown real ability to finish at the basket with either hand … With his size and strength, can post-up, and punish smaller guards … Great feel for the game ... Shooting mechanics and balance seem to be improving since his time in the pros … Length and lateral quickness could make him a strong defender in time, definitely seems willing to put in work as a defender … Very strong rebounder for a guard, good nose for the ball and covers a lot of ground … While he does at times force the issue, China showed that he is leaning more on his strengths and has a greater knowledge of what he does best … Averaged 31.5 mpg and seems to be a candidate to get well accustomed to NBA level conditioning … At only 19-years of age, already has a great knowledge of the game, seems to be quite willing to learn and has ability to fill out his solid physique even more so … Showed a level of perseverance by staying in China to recuperate from his ankle injury to play in Guangdong’s last two games, when some just believed he would head home and prepare for the draft … Competitor, consistently gives a strong effort and shows a great deal of confidence in his ability ...

Weaknesses: Has struggled with his midrange and outside shooting, often off balance or struggles with timing to release the ball at the highest point of his jump … In a small sample size (13-38 3PT, 27-47 FT), only shot 34.2% from 3-point range and 57.4% from the FT stripe and will need to work on improving those numbers to keep defenses honest … Will settle for bad shots, plus will sometimes be unnecessarily off balanced on good looks … Must improve his confidence and consistency as a shooter ... Still has a tendency to depend on the dribble too much, be careless with the ball and go for the highlight rather than settling for a more calculated decision … Had 5.9 apg: 3.25 topg, and while a 1.82 assist-to-turnover ratio is not terrible for a player his age, he definitely needs to cut down his turnovers to be an effective NBA PG … Sometimes has lapses when he is off the ball on defense, plus needs to be more consistent in getting low in his stance … Some of his worst games were against the more established Pro/NBA players, so will still likely need some work before being completely ready to help a team win consistently … Can be even more effective if he worked on his skills off of the ball, where he could be a strong cutter in time … His decision to play overseas in China makes him much more of a mystery to NBA teams, and also decreased his development over the past year ... Suffered a severe ankle sprain while in China, seems to have recuperated fully, will just need to monitor this and look at future injury prevention … Seeing that he is the first high level US player to go directly to the Chinese Basketball Association, it is really difficult to tell what his numbers mean in relation to the top NCAA and even European prospects who have more of a sample size, could possibly affect where he goes in the draft … For a player who attacks and gets to the basket as often as he did, did not get to the line at a great rate, which will be something that will be crucial to his success in the NBA …
 
Summary: A rare athlete with size, explosiveness and power, Mudiay combines great scoring instincts with a pass-first attitude. His shooting is inconsistent, and while he is an above-average passer, his decision making is still a work in progress. He didn't take the most tread path to the NBA (playing overseas in China), and his season was limited by an ankle injury. Has the potential to become an ideal new-age point guard in the basic mold of John Wall/Derrick Rose.

Offensive Breakdown: While Mudiay does look to score when he gets a driving lane to the basket, he's a more willing passer than some slashing guards; he's just as confident in his ability to find an open teammate as he is in his ability to score at the rim. He finished with a 31.8% assist rate, which isn't stellar but puts him in the realm of Elfrid Payton (32.9% his final collegiate year), Phoenix's Tyler Ennis (32.3%) and fellow draftee Delon Wright (33%).

Too often Mudiay gets himself into the paint and trusts he can pass out, which leads to trouble. He's such a confident passer he too often goes for the star plays rather than the simple correct passes. Teams learned he isn't great when pressured, and he's on the edge of the "turnover prone" label. The 16% turnover rate and 1.82 assist-to-turnover ratio is comparable to draftmate D'Angelo Russell (14.8%, 1.71), and below Delon Wright (14.2%, 2.6), Jerian Grant (13.4%, 3.04) and Cameron Payne (12.4%, 2.4). At this point, Mudiay's best skill is his ability to be a total threat as both as a passer and as a scorer in the open court, but his decision making will need big improvement.

Mudiay is excellent in the pick-and-roll despite his inconsistent shooting. He was able to beat guards that tried to stick to him, could breeze by any bigs on the switch, and has all the passing tools to take advantage of his rolling teammates. A Mudiay/DeMarcus Cousins pick-and-roll could be a dynamic weapon in the half-court.

The biggest worry about Mudiay's offense is his shooting—his mechanics are inconsistent, his mid-range game is average, and he only hit 34% from three in his 12 games. Mudiay has plenty of time to develop this inconsistency into a strength, and we're not talking about mechanics on the level of Elfrid Payton/Tyreke Evans. If he does develop consistent range, Mudiay could end up the classes best player—he'd become even more of a monster in the pick-and-roll, and his slashing ability would be deadly if opponents had to respect his outside shot. Still, the shooting is a risk to consider (especially the 57.4% free throw success) when balancing who Mudiay is against his ‘potential' self.

Defensive Breakdown: Mudiay lacked consistent defensive focus, but he also showcased the tools and basic skills to be an excellent defender. His instincts are solid, and when he does misstep he was able to use his quickness to get back in front of his man. His size and strength will allow him to defend both guard spots. The lack of intensity is worrying, but is an omnipresent complaint with this draft class.

He is also a determined rebounder, and consistently utilized his size, length and strength to outmuscle bigger players for rebounds. His rebounding rate of 12.9% (17% defensive rebounding rate) is tops among the guards likely drafted in the first round, and for the whole class he's behind only Notre Dame's Pat Connaughton (13%) and VCU's Treveon Graham (13.8%).

Intangibles: Mudiay doesn't have the speed of John Wall/Mike Conley, nor the explosiveness of Russell Westbrook, but he has more of both physical tools than most NBA guards. Add in his height, a near 6'9 wingspan, and upper body strength, and it's hard not to get excited about his potential.

His original commit to Larry Brown and SMU ended in July 2014 when he decided to play professionally in China, saying he wanted to help his mother financially. In March he said that he felt the China was a greater challenge for him thanks to the NBA veterans he played against, including Stephon Marbury, Al Harrington, and teammate Will Bynum. While Mudiay served as a great litmus test for the CBA, it was a shame he didn't play in college, or at least in the NBA DLeague—he would have gotten much more attention from the casual fan.
 
Donovan is going to be a superstar. It's not even in doubt...

....if he doesn't try to take matters into his own hands and start to ISO or ballhog.....or think he can succeed without support from his teammates! He needs to cut way back on forcing shots, especially since there's no need to with the players we've surrounded him with! Outside shooting was our downfall last year and should not be an issue this year at all! I say all things being considered, 60 wins is NOT out of the question!
 
....if he doesn't try to take matters into his own hands and start to ISO or ballhog.....or think he can succeed without support from his teammates! He needs to cut way back on forcing shots, especially since there's no need to with the players we've surrounded him with! Outside shooting was our downfall last year and should not be an issue this year at all! I say all things being considered, 60 wins is NOT out of the question!

He has never been a ballhog. When he ISO's it's because that is what Quin is asking from him. He was our only shot creator last year. We needed him to do that.
 
Summary: A rare athlete with size, explosiveness and power, Mudiay combines great scoring instincts with a pass-first attitude. His shooting is inconsistent, and while he is an above-average passer, his decision making is still a work in progress. He didn't take the most tread path to the NBA (playing overseas in China), and his season was limited by an ankle injury. Has the potential to become an ideal new-age point guard in the basic mold of John Wall/Derrick Rose.

Offensive Breakdown: While Mudiay does look to score when he gets a driving lane to the basket, he's a more willing passer than some slashing guards; he's just as confident in his ability to find an open teammate as he is in his ability to score at the rim. He finished with a 31.8% assist rate, which isn't stellar but puts him in the realm of Elfrid Payton (32.9% his final collegiate year), Phoenix's Tyler Ennis (32.3%) and fellow draftee Delon Wright (33%).

Too often Mudiay gets himself into the paint and trusts he can pass out, which leads to trouble. He's such a confident passer he too often goes for the star plays rather than the simple correct passes. Teams learned he isn't great when pressured, and he's on the edge of the "turnover prone" label. The 16% turnover rate and 1.82 assist-to-turnover ratio is comparable to draftmate D'Angelo Russell (14.8%, 1.71), and below Delon Wright (14.2%, 2.6), Jerian Grant (13.4%, 3.04) and Cameron Payne (12.4%, 2.4). At this point, Mudiay's best skill is his ability to be a total threat as both as a passer and as a scorer in the open court, but his decision making will need big improvement.

Mudiay is excellent in the pick-and-roll despite his inconsistent shooting. He was able to beat guards that tried to stick to him, could breeze by any bigs on the switch, and has all the passing tools to take advantage of his rolling teammates. A Mudiay/DeMarcus Cousins pick-and-roll could be a dynamic weapon in the half-court.

The biggest worry about Mudiay's offense is his shooting—his mechanics are inconsistent, his mid-range game is average, and he only hit 34% from three in his 12 games. Mudiay has plenty of time to develop this inconsistency into a strength, and we're not talking about mechanics on the level of Elfrid Payton/Tyreke Evans. If he does develop consistent range, Mudiay could end up the classes best player—he'd become even more of a monster in the pick-and-roll, and his slashing ability would be deadly if opponents had to respect his outside shot. Still, the shooting is a risk to consider (especially the 57.4% free throw success) when balancing who Mudiay is against his ‘potential' self.

Defensive Breakdown: Mudiay lacked consistent defensive focus, but he also showcased the tools and basic skills to be an excellent defender. His instincts are solid, and when he does misstep he was able to use his quickness to get back in front of his man. His size and strength will allow him to defend both guard spots. The lack of intensity is worrying, but is an omnipresent complaint with this draft class.

He is also a determined rebounder, and consistently utilized his size, length and strength to outmuscle bigger players for rebounds. His rebounding rate of 12.9% (17% defensive rebounding rate) is tops among the guards likely drafted in the first round, and for the whole class he's behind only Notre Dame's Pat Connaughton (13%) and VCU's Treveon Graham (13.8%).

Intangibles: Mudiay doesn't have the speed of John Wall/Mike Conley, nor the explosiveness of Russell Westbrook, but he has more of both physical tools than most NBA guards. Add in his height, a near 6'9 wingspan, and upper body strength, and it's hard not to get excited about his potential.

His original commit to Larry Brown and SMU ended in July 2014 when he decided to play professionally in China, saying he wanted to help his mother financially. In March he said that he felt the China was a greater challenge for him thanks to the NBA veterans he played against, including Stephon Marbury, Al Harrington, and teammate Will Bynum. While Mudiay served as a great litmus test for the CBA, it was a shame he didn't play in college, or at least in the NBA DLeague—he would have gotten much more attention from the casual fan.

I think he's a bit like Tyreke Evans, another big, powerful guard who had to reinvent himself to find a permanent role on the wing.
 
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