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Handlogten's Heros said:
JZ did good work this offseason. Especially since we know now that he was essentially an interim GM. He wouldn't have been the guy to make the huge moves... and as we saw he was neutered when he tried to. So I blame Ryan. The Favs trade was all about the money.

The good news with how ****** we have been is that I could see a scenario where we make a couple shift trades. Before I think it may have just been one smallish move. I think the bigger move is justified though as you stated we likely missed our window there.
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Yeah I've been on record saying that nothing that has happened really matters, and I still mostly feel that way. It doesn't surprise me we've fallen apart without Don and Rudy...but the degree to which this team is falling apart is pretty alarming and I can't keep ignoring it.

Having said that, I do think some of this tension is good. Maybe too much, but better than nothing. The alternative scenario of us continuing to annihilate everyone in the RS would have just produced more false gold come playoff time. So while this tension could truly blow this team up, I don't think it's necessarily bad that Quin is getting some heat, or that the FO might be forced into making trades, or that Don is getting **** from people about his defense. Like I said, I think we have too much...but maybe too much is better than the zero tension we had last year.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
NOP could also take JC into their large trade exception from the Adams deal. No returning salary saves us a ton of money. It also gives us a trade exception we can use later.
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Could save POR tons of money too, they are also tax team and moving Covington would allow them to duck it. Returning zero money back and a second could be worth it for them.
 
KqWIN said:
I'm going to pull an Infection and say, who??? Who is this "bold" young player that we can get with a 2028 first round pick?

When it's 2028 and Mitchell is long gone and Gobert is old...we're going to be thinking about how good they were and wish we could have done more with them. Even if we traded that pick and we totally fall on our face again, I would have no regrets because we at least gave it our best shot when we had our best shot.

The solution to winning a championship isn't holding onto a pick 6 years down the road.
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I'm not saying our future first gets us some awesome young player, but I do think a future first could be packaged with our current assets to get a real difference maker. I don't believe that Roco is a true difference maker.

I'm all for trading the assets for the right player. I was all in on trading for Jrue. I know that guy would have paired perfectly with Don. I would have given more for Jrue than we gave for Conley, but for some reason we were fixated on Conley. What's even more ironic or frustrating is that NOLA actually valued Favors pretty highly. So much so that they used $17 million of cap space AND a 2nd rounder to take him from us. Like why didn't we just trade Favors, Allen, Korver and 3 first rounders for Jrue?

I know this is an exercise in futility, but I'm more than willing to trade picks for something right now. We have put ourselves into a corner where we have to maximize now.
 
@Handlogten's Heros The Adams TPE is such a good callout. I think the deal of JC -> NOP, Roco -> UTA, and 2nd(s) from NOP ->POR makes a ton of sense. If the Trailblazers want to trade Roco, they are kind sorta signaling they want to tank anyways. This would allow for that and take them under the tax. NOP, is desperately trying to make the play ins. JC would be a huge instant upgrade over NAW and guess who is in the #10 spot right now....Portland. Makes NOP better and their competition worse at the same time.

Jaxson Hayes could also be traded instead of picks from NOP. It would still cut enough salary for POR to get under the tax.
 
I've sort of gone forward on what type of defender is most important, someone who can guard well on the ball or someone who can cover well off the ball. I'm leaning towards the later. Any way you shake it, the Jazz are going to have holes in their perimeter defense. Conley and Mitchell are always going to be targets, Bogey is a target if he's not included in the trade, and Royce is basically a target himself. Given all those defensive holes, I think having someone who can better cover up them up is more important than one guy who can guard one player. 2v5 defense might just be OK if you have Gobert and Roco because those guys are great.
 
KqWIN said:
@Handlogten's Heros The Adams TPE is such a good callout. I think the deal of JC -> NOP, Roco -> UTA, and 2nd(s) from NOP ->POR makes a ton of sense. If the Trailblazers want to trade Roco, they are kind sorta signaling they want to tank anyways. This would allow for that and take them under the tax. NOP, is desperately trying to make the play ins. JC would be a huge instant upgrade over NAW and guess who is in the #10 spot right now....Portland. Makes NOP better and their competition worse at the same time.

Jaxson Hayes could also be traded instead of picks from NOP. It would still cut enough salary for POR to get under the tax.
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Portland is close enough to the tax that I think flipping Cov for Sato actually gets it done too.
 
KqWIN said:
I've sort of gone forward on what type of defender is most important, someone who can guard well on the ball or someone who can cover well off the ball. I'm leaning towards the later. Any way you shake it, the Jazz are going to have holes in their perimeter defense. Conley and Mitchell are always going to be targets, Bogey is a target if he's not included in the trade, and Royce is basically a target himself. Given all those defensive holes, I think having someone who can better cover up them up is more important than one guy who can guard one player. 2v5 defense might just be OK if you have Gobert and Roco because those guys are great.
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Not poking holes... but if RoCo is in your main lineups I assume Royce is not? If Royce is the one taking a hit in minutes I would see what is out there for him. He may be the grease we need. Or do you slide RoCo into Royce's minutes and give Royce the Ingles minutes?

I really would pursue the Hart for JC/Royce deal. We'd have a trade exception we could use to add Holiday or Craig from Indy or something else and you'd still be saving some money. We don't care about the money but Ryan does. NOP have draft assets too, GM needs to save his job... he has done weird stuff recently... so I wouldn't be shocked if they did something dumb.
 
Another potential deal... Ingles for Lamb and Craig. Saves them $2M+ (they are close to the tax) and they can sign someone with the open roster spot. I'll send em Hughes if they want.

They get out of the second year in Craig's deal... which isn't horrible but you'd likely rather not have it. Lamb is expiring and I don't think they want him back.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Not poking holes... but if RoCo is in your main lineups I assume Royce is not? If Royce is the one taking a hit in minutes I would see what is out there for him. He may be the grease we need. Or do you slide RoCo into Royce's minutes and give Royce the Ingles minutes?

I really would pursue the Hart for JC/Royce deal. We'd have a trade exception we could use to add Holiday or Craig from Indy or something else and you'd still be saving some money. We don't care about the money but Ryan does. NOP have draft assets too, GM needs to save his job... he has done weird stuff recently... so I wouldn't be shocked if they did something dumb.
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Roco would be in my main lineup, but I wouldn't be in a hurry to trade Royce. I would slide Royce into the Clarkson/Ingles minutes.
 
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