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Trade Rumors Involving the Jazz

NBASupes said:
I agree with most till the Anunoby part. A 24-year-old two-way big wing is the most desired prototype in the NBA and his contract is 18 per. His value is closer to the max level than Rudy's based on age, prototype, and cost. You aren't getting him in any deal that doesn't include Donovan Mitchell. This is where you confuse being a top 15 impact player like Gobert and his trade value. There is no team in the NBA that would trade OG for Gobert. Not one. Two-way wings>>>> everything else unless you are a superstar or a #1 option star scorer. I had Hawk fans try to ask if we could trade OG for Clint. I laughed and said, this is where you confuse production and impact with value, especially how teams see players. There is no team that wouldn't hang up the phone laughing if you offered Capela for their two-way wing, even if the two-way wing is raw like Patrick Williams.

Ya'll gotta understand trade value and impact value. Gobert is superior impact-wise to Mitchell but trade value-wise, Mitchell might as well be twice the player to others around the league.
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You know that DM would never be traded for OG. First OG has been hurt a lot. Secondly, he is limited on the offensive end. I am not confused at all. I understand the difficulty of trading Rudy due to his contract. That is the major reason why he is not traded in my opinion is due to his contract and age. If he were 24 years old the likely hood of him being traded would increase but the contract could still make it difficult. OG is more desired due to his age/contract and the fact that Wings are more coveted than centers in today's NBA. However, Rudy is still the better player if you look at his accomplishments and ignore the rest. So I am in agreement with you about the reasons why OG is not going to be traded for Rudy, but you are missing the point. My point is Rudy is the better player and has accomplished more than OG so straight up it would be a no brainer to trade for RUdy based upon talent. I know that is not how trades work though.
 
cowhide said:
You know that DM would never be traded for OG. First OG has been hurt a lot. Secondly, he is limited on the offensive end. I am not confused at all. I understand the difficulty of trading Rudy due to his contract. That is the major reason why he is not traded in my opinion is due to his contract and age. If he were 24 years old the likely hood of him being traded would increase but the contract could still make it difficult. OG is more desired due to his age/contract and the fact that Wings are more coveted than centers in today's NBA. However, Rudy is still the better player if you look at his accomplishments and ignore the rest. So I am in agreement with you about the reasons why OG is not going to be traded for Rudy, but you are missing the point. My point is Rudy is the better player and has accomplished more than OG so straight up it would be a no brainer to trade for RUdy based upon talent. I know that is not how trades work though.
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1. Debatable. It's all about the best offer, if you get him, some other prospects, and the draft picks, Utah would seriously consider it as most teams would. My guess is what you think you can probably get for Mitchell is not an offer any NBA team would make. I personally think you could get a better offer for Mitchell.
2. He has been.
3. Naw. He's not limited. He just isn't consistent, if he ever becomes consistent, he has all-star potential.
4. Very confused if you think you can get OG for Gobert. Extremely confused.
5. Do you? That severely limits his incoming value and trade market to levels that may seem undesirable. I don't believe that's something Utah is willing to do, it's something I don't believe I would be willing to do. I feel like it's easier just to try your hardest to improve the locker room culture and make it where Rudy and Mitchell want to work together.
6. Yeah
7. Yeah
8. How?
9. If you are exclusively talking about impact, yes. But value wise, no, not even close.
10. Yeah, I agree. You seem very intelligent and a great representation of the Jazz fanbase. I've enjoyed talking with you.
 
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cowhide said:
You know that DM would never be traded for OG. First OG has been hurt a lot. Secondly, he is limited on the offensive end. I am not confused at all. I understand the difficulty of trading Rudy due to his contract. That is the major reason why he is not traded in my opinion is due to his contract and age. If he were 24 years old the likely hood of him being traded would increase but the contract could still make it difficult. OG is more desired due to his age/contract and the fact that Wings are more coveted than centers in today's NBA. However, Rudy is still the better player if you look at his accomplishments and ignore the rest. So I am in agreement with you about the reasons why OG is not going to be traded for Rudy, but you are missing the point. My point is Rudy is the better player and has accomplished more than OG so straight up it would be a no brainer to trade for RUdy based upon talent. I know that is not how trades work though.
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OG isn't a three-level scorer. He's a switchable, 3D wing who can spot up, attack close-outs and slash a bit. He doesn't have much on-ball creation or mid-range scoring ability. I've been following him since he was at Indiana. This idea that he's an amazing offensive player is a myth. I'm not sure he's even a top-50 player, tbh.
 
Ferguson_Mellochill said:
OG isn't a three-level scorer. He's a switchable, 3D wing who can spot up, attack close-outs and slash a bit. He doesn't have much on-ball creation or mid-range scoring ability. I've been following him since he was at Indiana. This idea that he's an amazing offensive player is a myth. I'm not sure he's even a top-50 player, tbh.
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You are right, 3 and finisher on offense. https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/og-anunoby-shot-chart

I agree.

I don't know if anyone thinks his offense is amazing.

He's top 40-80 range - https://theathletic.com/2753332/202...heck-in-at-tier-4-alongside-40-other-players/
 
LoPo said:
Good discussion guys.

We aren't contenders no matter what we do. Rudy's value is as high as its ever gonna be.

Trade him. Get youth. Get multiple pieces. Hire a great coach. Pray

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If you want to get youth, and other assets, trade Mitchell, and trade JC. Build properly around Gobert and GIVE HIM THE HELP HE NEEDS!! He can’t be the only one defending and playing help defense.
 
If I'm the Knicks there's absolutely no way in hell that I'm giving Brunson a max contract. I'd offer those 3 1sts I just got from the Thunder for #11 and Mitchell Robinson in a S&T.
 
I could still see a Gobert deal happen with the Hawks, possibly with Capela ending up in Minnesota. See what AJ Griffin looks like in Summer League and see if that makes a difference to where things stand.

T'wolves also picked up Walker Kessler, Wendell Moore and Kendall Brown in the draft, who could be interesting young prospects to include in a deal.
 
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