Mitchell is an All Star, and he's box office. Teams will pay for it, especially if it helps said team attract a big free agent.
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Mitchell is an All Star, and he's box office. Teams will pay for it, especially if it helps said team attract a big free agent.
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Rudy is an all star too and more decorated at that. As well as in his prime.
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Gobert is a generational talent and one of the best defenders of all time and will have a much better career than Mitchell when it's said and done. At the end of the day, Gobert is the main player who created Mitchell. If Gobert didnt exist, Mitchell wouldn't have been able to make his historic rise as a rookie (which is what got him his shoe deal, put him in the national attention, let him get to the playoffs where he was able to handle an absurd amount of volume scoring). I think Gobert can do that again if we let him and do good work in the draft (trust in Ainge).
It's utter lunacy that we are even thinking about building around Mitchell, but it is what it is. I still have hope that Ainge is a mad genius and he's formulating a master tank or a master re-tool around Gobert.
Rozier/Conley/Butler
Mathurin/Clarkson
Royce/Dieng
PJ/Bogey
Gobert
We can't say for sure who will be able available at 13/15, but there will be potential wins out there. Maybe you can get a Mathurin/Dieng. Maybe a Sochan drops to 13 (though doubtful). Maybe a Johnny Davis. A Tari Eason. A Jalen Williams. There'd be a lot of options to add wing players who have some starter upside.
Hell maybe you can force more out of Charlotte and get someone like Kelly Oubre while they take back Gay/NAW. You obviously try to move Conley just for more depth pieces (or maybe just the Levert deal as rumored earlier). There'd be a lot of options.
I think if the Jazz are being realistic, they're not trying to build around either Rudy or Donovan. Neither is a true franchise player that can lead a team to the WCF or Finals. The two of them could be parts 2 and 3 to a Big 3, but the Jazz don't have part #1.
The problem is that the Jazz don't have the assets to acquire a true franchise player. So they're going to have to trade at least one of their current stars. Jazz should have known this 2 years ago, when Mitchell was still on rookie-scale.
This looks like a 6 or 7-seed, maybe like this year's Timberwolves.
Yeah, I agree with that.
The thing to me though is that Gobert will give you more wins. He will make the players you are able to require better. I totally acknowledge there is some degree of a playoff hit Gobert takes, but I still think the odds of the Jazz performing well in the playoffs is higher with a Gobert led team w/ pieces you get from a Mitchell trade than a Mitchell led team w/ pieces you get from a Gobert trade.
So I really dont get the point of building around Mitchell other than the fact that he is more popular.
I mean, that obviously wouldn't be the final team. I just have the time or energy to go through and figure out the most optimal trades for who needs to be moved out of Conley/Clarkson/Bogey.
I think it could potentially be a better team than we had this previous year, and it would be a team that would improve over the next 2-3 years. It would also be a team with more flexibility for moves.
(and like I've said many times I prefer a tank, but I prefer a Mitchell trade over a Gober trade)
Mitchell is better than you make him out to be. He's a legit, dynamic lead guard. He just can't carry a franchise. But in his defense, he's not playing with anyone who can create much for themselves. Put him next to a Jaylen Brown or Brandon Ingram, and he'd look like he's in his element.
Did I say Mitchell wasnt those things?
He just sucks *** at defense, is a ****** leader, and doesnt make players around him better. He's a scorer, one of the best in the NBA, but that's all he does.
Yes, but he's also a defensive specialist who can't score outside of 3 feet and can't post up a guy 6 inches shorter.
He can if you get him the ball on time in good position and don't just throw it into him 10' from the rim...
Oh, and if the team made any effort to practice these plays during the regular sesaon to get switches and makes these opportunities happen rather than just use them for our selfish ball-handlers to take terrible shots.
A 3 teamer I daydreamed up:
Utah Out: Donovan/Conley/Gay
Utah In: Russell/Kennard/Batum/McDaniels/#19/'24 1st/'26 1st
MIN Out: Russell/McDaniels/'19/'24 1st/'26 1st
MIN IN: Donovan/Gay
LAC Out: Kennard/Batum
LAC In: Conley
Could be split into a pair of deals, but I put it together as 1 to make the end goal easier to see.
Russell/
Kennard/Clarkson
Bojan/Royce
McDaniels/Batum
Gobert
As the main rotation, try to bring back House for depth, add #19, I'd be fairly happy with that roster going into next season, probably look to unload either Juancho or NAW to ensure ducking the tax.
Utah Out: Donovan/Conley/Gay
Utah In: Russell/Kennard/Batum/McDaniels/#19/'24 1st/'26 1st
MIN Out: Russell/McDaniels/'19/'24 1st/'26 1st
MIN IN: Donovan/Gay
LAC Out: Kennard/Batum
LAC In: Conley
Could be split into a pair of deals, but I put it together as 1 to make the end goal easier to see.
Russell/
Kennard/Clarkson
Bojan/Royce
McDaniels/Batum
Gobert
As the main rotation, try to bring back House for depth, add #19, I'd be fairly happy with that roster going into next season, probably look to unload either Juancho or NAW to ensure ducking the tax.
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That’s enough to get future MJ and future Bill Russell. I don’t see how you can say no to that.
I’m sorry but some of these trades getting posted are trash.
I just listened to David Locke's podcast. It was weird. He went on about how he likes Terry Rozier (of all people) and that he likes Rozier's contract long term. He suggested the Jazz could trade Bogdanovic for Rozier. Then he said that Rozier wouldn't fit with the Jazz because he's small and he's like a poor man's Donovan. Then at the end, he reiterated that he likes Rozier "if the Jazz make trades." He's almost implying that there's a possibility that the Jazz would trade Donovan this offseason--i.e., Rozier would be a good fill-in for Donovan if the Jazz move him.
That's the first time I've ever heard someone associated with the Jazz even go near that suggestion. It's enough to make me wonder if a team near the top of the draft recently made an offer for Donovan.
That's the first time I've ever heard someone associated with the Jazz even go near that suggestion. It's enough to make me wonder if a team near the top of the draft recently made an offer for Donovan.
Jazz wouldn't move Donovan for this package.
Does anyone think it's plausible the Jazz could make another Donovan if they traded Donovan?
Meaning, how many rookies in this class do you think could put up 20 points on average efficiency of a team gave them 17 shots a game?
I think Ivey and Davis definitely could. I'd give Mathurin, Jaden Hardy, Terquavion Smith, and Branham a chance.
Meaning, how many rookies in this class do you think could put up 20 points on average efficiency of a team gave them 17 shots a game?
I think Ivey and Davis definitely could. I'd give Mathurin, Jaden Hardy, Terquavion Smith, and Branham a chance.
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Neither would I
Well, yeah, the Jazz seem highly unlikely to move him at all. We'll probably get Capela/Gallo/#16 for Gobert or some ****. I have no faith in the actual front office.
But I'd do it.
Jaden Ivey certainly could. Jaden Hardy might as well.