Archie Moses
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Huh?So, you support trans boys competing in the girls events, despite the increased risk of injury to the girls?
Huh?So, you support trans boys competing in the girls events, despite the increased risk of injury to the girls?
The part where you made a thought for me.What was unclear about that?
This.I think it was the part where you said he said something that he didn't say
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I extended your thought to the natural conclusion, and phrased it as a question in case you thought you had some other justification. Was I wrong?The part where you made a thought for me.
Yes. 100%.I extended your thought to the natural conclusion, and phrased it as a question in case you thought you had some other justification. Was I wrong?
Interesting. So, trans girls can't be allowed to compete with cis girls, but trans boys can't be so permitted, either?Yes. 100%.
A super douchey thing to do.
**** your questions.
I was speaking of Lia Thomas who has been setting records. I was not referring to Thomas' friend whom Thomas conspired with before the race. For Iszac Henig to win that race, Thomas had to swim 3 seconds slower in the 100 than Thomas had posted just 45 days earlier. In an event that often comes down to hundredths of a second, you don't lose 3 full seconds in 45 days. Thomas already has the record and has qualified for the NCAA Championships in those events. Those in attendance said Thomas was "coasting" and "barely trying". Now even one of Thomas' Penn teammates has said Thomas lost on purpose.You mean, the person that Iszac Henig soundly outswam?
"I was on deck and said to a friend, ‘She’s literally not trying.’ You could just tell," OutKick’s source said. "It was blatantly obvious. I was watching the 200 free and she was literally keeping pace with the other girls. She was No. 1 in the country at one point. These are definitely talented swimmers, but they’re not the caliber of being at the top in the country or anything like that. You can tell when someone is dying and they’re swimming slow," the swimmer added. "You can also tell when someone is not trying and I could see [in the 200 freestyle] that Lia was not trying."
I was speaking of Lia Thomas who has been setting records.
So, I guess she's not setting any NCAA records anytime soon.In an event that often comes down to hundredths of a second, you don't lose 3 full seconds in 45 days.
You have proof of any sort of conspiracy, or even of friendship? No? So, you're just spreading bigoted lies?I was not referring to Thomas' friend whom Thomas conspired with before the race.
Yes. I have the statements from Thomas' Penn teammate.You have proof of any sort of conspiracy, or even of friendship?
Now do you have any proof the Penn swimmer is not telling the truth?"I know they’re friends and I know they were talking before the meet. I think she let her win to prove the point that, ‘Oh see, a female-to-male beat me.'"
It is not just Ivy League swimming but all of women's sports. Having XY athletes compete in a division that is originally intended to be exclusive to XX athletes destroys the whole purpose of having women's sports. Biological males have a physiological advantage. Below are the time standards for the short course 100 for kids 15 and 16 years old.I mean, if your interest were legitimate, it's really touching how worried you are about Ivy League women's swimming.
At best, that's proof that they were friends, and not of any conspiracy.Yes. I have the statements from Thomas' Penn teammate.
Now do you have any proof the Penn swimmer is not telling the truth?
How about XY women with androgen insensitivity? Is their inclusion unfair? How about XY women who don't have an SRY region on either chromosome? Is their inclusion unfair?It is not just Ivy League swimming but all of women's sports. Having XY athletes compete in a division that is originally intended to be exclusive to XX athletes destroys the whole purpose of having women's sports.
What does this have to do with Penn women's swimming or Lia Thomas? Did you really think that jumping around like this would confuse someone, or are you just that confused and desperate?Biological males have a physiological advantage. Below are the time standards for the short course 100 for kids 15 and 16 years old.
As I demonstrated very clearly, Thomas is not the NCAA record holder. Her times are not even top 10. In addition to the 200Y and 500Y times, her ~50s times in the 100Y are about 5s too slow.There is a good reason Thomas is the NCAA record holder and Henig is not.
You say that, but so far it's you that has failed to show any part of your argument.Regarding dropping 2 seconds in the 200, the 200 is not the 100 and you are arguing against your own position.
Thomas is not in Ledecky's league.Katie Ledecky is the greatest female swimmer in the history of the sport. If meh Thomas can beat the best female swimmer there has ever been simply by changing a form and going on testosterone suppression for 12 months I think that will be enough to end this whole delusion being foisted on us by the religion of woke.
I wonder how often these have been encountered in women's sports in general. Just curious. Not expecting and answer as I am sure this isn't anything anyone can monitor or track or even reliably check.How about XY women with androgen insensitivity? Is their inclusion unfair? How about XY women who don't have an SRY region on either chromosome? Is their inclusion unfair?
There is a place for them in the open division alongside all other XY athletes and any XX athletes who chose to compete in the open division. Everyone should be allowed to compete but women's sport should be XX exclusive.How about XY ...?
Yep, starting in 1st grade. Kindergarten gets a pass.So all participation in women's sports should require a karyotype test first?
Thank you for confirming that your objections have nothing to do with the physical differences between men and women that you referenced earlier.There is a place for them in the open division alongside all other XY athletes and any XX athletes who chose to compete in the open division. Everyone should be allowed to compete but women's sport should be XX exclusive.
Hate is hate. No need to be rational.So all participation in women's sports should require a karyotype test first?
What about those who don't fit into your Jr High understanding of genetics? And are you seriously suggesting we perform genetic testing on every student who wants to play sports?There is a place for them in the open division alongside all other XY athletes and any XX athletes who chose to compete in the open division. Everyone should be allowed to compete but women's sport should be XX exclusive.
That would be silly. The open division accepts everyone regardless of genetics. Verification of some sort would only be needed for those competing in restricted divisions. If you had a kid in club sports you'd know they do that now. For my kid to eligible to compete in the 10U division I had to provide proof of age. Genetic tests for gender only aren't any more expensive than tests for banned substances and athletes have to take many of those throughout the season. Testing for compliance in sport is not the least bit unusual.What about those who don't fit into your Jr High understanding of genetics? And are you seriously suggesting we perform genetic testing on every student who wants to play sports?
People with higher levels of testosterone tend to have more muscle mass, but we don't create separate events based on te3stoserone levels, level of strength, height, etc., except when we do (boxing weight classes, etc.).Sporting events were split between males and females in the first place for a reason. Genetic males, on average, are stronger and faster than their female counterpart, with more muscle mass and testosterone.
That does nothing to alter the social distinction between men and women that led to the creation of separate events.If we are going to blur the lines, and let genetic males participate in female sports and vice versa, the best idea is to get rid of gender in sports and have everyone compete in one division.