Don't you know? He NEVER said that Utah would be in the Rose Bowl.
Utes 2011 Football Discussion
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SaltyDawg
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Care to back that up with something? What was I wrong about? That Utah would compete for the Pac 12 South? And here they are poised to finish second (at least tied for second) after one of the most injury plagued seasons in recent history?
Please show me where I said Utah would be in the Rose Bowl. Or do you just like making crap up about other posters to make yourself look better after such a stupid statement? Heaps was never an NFL prospect, and likely never will be.
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https://jazzfanz.com/showthread.php?7023-SI-picks-Utes-to-win-PAC12-South./page3 Notice the title of the thread, "SI picks Utes to win PAC12 South.".
Mr. I never said Utah would be in the Rose Bowl. said:
SaltyDawg
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I'm trying to figure out if you're trolling or if you really don't understand?
Just in case, dude, the Rose Bowl invites the winner of the Pac 12 championship game. Saying Utah will compete for the Pac 12 South is NOT the same as saying they will WIN the Pac 12 South, then WIN the Championship game.
Saying something is technically possible is not the same thing as predicting it will happen. and if you thought I was predicting it would happen, you should have tried to bet if you thought it was outlandish. I wouldn't have bet, because I knew darn well Utah wasn't beating Oregon or Stanford in the Pac 12 Championship game, even if they did win the South.
Nice try, but you're on an epic fail roll the last few days and this is no different.
Either you have no idea what you're talking about and somehow think those quotes mean I was predicting a Rose Bowl for the Utes, or you're just trolling because you have nothing of value to add. No telling which, it is coming from you.
7StraightIsGreat
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I sense another gym challenge coming on.
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Please show me where I said you said they would. Hint: hyperbole doesn't actually count.
Heaps has a better arm than Wynn, and doesn't go down with a season ending injury every season. Heaps shortcomings can be fixed... Wynn, I'm not so sure.
Is that a good enough answer for you and hobo, or am I still not allowed to espouse this opinion?
SaltyDawg
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Well that's better than saying he's an NFL prospect at least.
I guess we'll have to see on Wynn. I'm not so sure a healthy Wynn (if he ever gets healthy again) is worse than Heaps. And I'm not so sure Heaps is any better than what Utah will have at QB next year either.
He's definitely better than Hays, but that isn't saying much.
Yeah, in retrospect that was a little over the top. He certainly is not that now, and he would need to improve dramatically. Two things that make me think he could still be a great college QB: he's still just a soph, and he's been playing for Roscoe Mendenhall, who has done nothing right in managing his QBs since Heaps showed up. You give him a decent HC and, if he's willing to listen, he rights the ship.
Utah's QB situation wasn't good, but is exacerbated in the PAC12. I think (naively, maybe) that Heaps can be just as good as the likes of Foles, Barkley, Osweiller (sp?), and such (not as good as Luck, but that goes w/o saying.)
You do realize that would be like coming in 3rd place in a beauty contest when there are only 2 contestants?
SaltyDawg
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Not at all. It's finishing among the better teams in one of the best conferences.
SaltyDawg
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From David Locke's twitter:
https://twitter.com/#!/Lockedonsports/status/131427817362690048
Whittingham "we have had 7 or 8 season ending injuries to key players." Last time we had a season like this was '06
https://twitter.com/#!/Lockedonsports/status/131427817362690048
Whittingham "we have had 7 or 8 season ending injuries to key players." Last time we had a season like this was '06
So, Whittingsham is a cry baby excuse maker too, huh? Surprising. No, really, it is.
There is a severe drop off between the 2-3 good teams in the PAC-12 and the rest of the league. Utah is not amongst the 2-3 good teams.
SaltyDawg
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Well good thing Utah doesn't have to be among the top 2 or 3 teams in order to be among the best in a 12 team conference.
As long as your happy being the Colorado State of the PAC-12 I guess we have no more to discuss.
SaltyDawg
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We're not the Colorado State. Utah is going to a bowl game, and likely will be going to one every year. As Whitt pointed out, this is rock bottom for Utah. It will only get better from here. Rock bottom for Utah is still among the better teams in one of the best conferences.
Does Colorado State beat BYU by 44 points in Provo?
Nope. They lose. Just like Utah loses to USC, Cal, ASU, WU, etc.
SaltyDawg
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There is no "etc" there. You listed all of Utah's losses. Colorado State already has more than that, and they have more than that every year.
Like I said, Utah is one of the better teams of the Pac 12, even when Utah has an injury plagued year and is at rock bottom. Colorado State hasn't been one of the better teams in the MWC in a long time.
Tha Pac 12 is a 12 team conference. It's not the 8 team MWC. So for Utah to be among the better teams in the Pac 12 even when at their worst, is nothing at all like Colorado State always sucking in the MWC.
Now BYU, you could make an argument that BYU is like Colorado State. After all, BYU is the team that can't beat anyone with a winning record, like Colorado State.
gregbroncs
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And yet BYU has not beat a team even good enough to be 2nd tier pac-12 in how long? Not this year or last year. In fact when was the last time BYU beat anybody who was even slightly above average. Was it 1984? Sure seems like it.
Trout brought back one of Salty's old posts here and I just realized Salty was wrong (I know, it's hard to believe). Salty said this:
Oregon won the Pac championship last year. They were in the NC game. Which Pac team went to the Rose Bowl? That's right, none. I seem to recall that the Rose Bowl is obligated to take the highest ranked non-AQ team (if they're eligible) in the event that either conference champ goes to the NC game. That's why TCU went to the Rose Bowl last year and Stanford had to go to the Orange Bowl. It may never happen like Salty thinks it will.