Zimmerman/Martin Case

[JimLes]

Wake up and then load the gun? You mean wake up and pull the loaded gun out from under my pillow, right?

kidding

I hope the safety is on.

 

[franklin]

Oh yes. Because, usually, the bad men who invade your home don't stop to think that you might be armed so they barge in making lots of noise and making sure you have plenty of time to wake up, load your gun, and blow them away.

That's why I put bells and chimes on every external entrance. I figure I'm safe unless the Ninja Turtles break in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDTPb2EUGDA

Despite what Franklin is suggesting, I'm not against your right to defend yourself. I am all for you having the right to self-defense. Not something I would do, but I respect that you would. I don't, however, believe that one should equate their life(or their family's lives) with material possessions.

No but you took a good point to an illogical extreme. "Don't shoot guy stealing hubcaps" good point. "Don't protect private property ever" silliness.

 

[Scat]

So we ought to logically assume that at least one of the other three would return to the scene of the crime?

If it is an easy target why wouldn't the remaining suspects return for an easy heist?

 

[Deleted member 365]

Aw.

This will surely bring unity to the board as we all come into agreement on this issue...

 

[Scat]

Jim Les, here's a link to an article that I posted in a previous thread on this subject. It will help lend some perspective to Zimmerman's mindset and why he acted the way he did.

https://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/25/us-usa-florida-shooting-zimmerman-idUSBRE83O18H20120425

 

[One Brow]

IIRC there were 3-4 suspects and only one was caught.

Only two were seen committing the robbery that the roofers witnessed. I'm not aware of any source that says only one was caught. Only one was named, but that's common for teens.

 

[Gameface]

Somehow I couldn't locate the Trayvon Martin megathread I thought existed, but this one's just as good.

Anyway, new stuff today. Photos he took of himself growing a pot plant, holding a gun and exhaling what I think is safe to say is pot smoke.

Doesn't change my opinion at all really. None of these things were happening during the encounter with Zimmerman, which is all that really matters.

https://www.cnn.com/2013/05/23/justice/florida-zimmerman-defense/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

 

[Surely]

Again, how do you figure your material possessions are worth more than human life? The responsibility IS yours. You're the one holding the gun. You are being asked to make that decision. Don't weasel out and say that the thief made that decision. You are making it. Do you believe it's morally right to take a human life if you don't need to?

As far as I'm concerned, the thief did make that decision when he broke into my home. Do you weasel out and say that I'm the one at fault for defending my family and stuff. It really is simple, if you don't want to get shot, don't break into other people's homes. If someone is too stupid to grasp that concept, then I guess that is where the theory of natural selection comes into play.

 

[TroutBum]

Wow, that was the most satisfactory neg I've given in all my time on this board. It is a shame that I was banned during this thread, because I would have had a blast. JimLes, dude, please... Don't ever have children.

 

[Gameface]

Wow, that was the most satisfactory neg I've given in all my time on this board. It is a shame that I was banned during this thread, because I would have had a blast. JimLes, dude, please... Don't ever have children.

I know, it was pull your ****ing hair out mind blowingly nuts the stuff he was saying about not defending your own property.

 

[PearlWatson]

Somehow I couldn't locate the Trayvon Martin megathread I thought existed, but this one's just as good.

Anyway, new stuff today. Photos he took of himself growing a pot plant, holding a gun and exhaling what I think is safe to say is pot smoke.

Doesn't change my opinion at all really. None of these things were happening during the encounter with Zimmerman, which is all that really matters.

https://www.cnn.com/2013/05/23/justice/florida-zimmerman-defense/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

They said long ago that he tested positive for pot from the autopsy...not sure if they can know how immediate his use was.

He could have easily been out for a pot smoking, skittle buying break.

 

[Gameface]

If they find out he was high at the time it makes it LESS likely he attacked Zimmerman. Just sayin'.

But they do believe he had smoked pot within a couple hours of the encounter. Also that he had been sending a series of angry texts back and fourth with a friend of his and was on the phone with the friend he was fighting with at the time of the encounter with Zimmerman.