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Who do you guys like in the second round in our range?

I like Alpha Kaba, Timothe Luwawu, Richaun Holmes, George de Paula, JP Tokoto, and maybe Dakari Johnson as a backup 5 for the 42nd pick

Alan Williams and Marc Garcia at 54.
Also Cedi Osman so him and Gordon can be hair-bros
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTXWhu3zPSc
 
I don't know why people are worried about the logjam if the Jazz were some how able to get Mario? a rotation of Hayward, Burks, Hood, Mario would be awesome. Yea Mario might be antsy to be a starter but if he earns it then you can either trade one guy or have Burks come off the bench. I recall both Hood and Burks saying they just want to play. Why Kanter didn't work is because he had a poor attitude.

i dont' think the Jazz have any chance to get Mario so I would look at getting a guy who could be a solid backup, that is why I would look at moving back and getting two picks if no one at 12 lights your fire. This draft looks to be deep. I would love it if the Jazz got a solid guy like Justin Anderson from Virginia along with a backup big guy if Tomic isn't coming over.
 
Hack said:
. He still struggles with free throws for crying out loud.
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You should look up his free throw percentage last season. (82%)

As for not improving..... He set career highs in free throw and three point percentage last season...... The year before he added a fantastic euro step to his driving game.... The year before that he added a very nice spin move that he had been working on..... He has become a better rebounder (had a game with 14 rebounds this past season) and feel like he has become a better passer too (just my opinion).

He has a reputation as a very hard worker and two summers ago it was reported that he improved more than any jazz player at p3.
 
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stitches said:
About Burks, my biggest problem with him is breaking his habit of putting the ball on the floor the first thing when he gets it. He just needs to learn to shoot it off the catch when he's open at the 3p line. His catch and shoot 3s numbers last two years have been great(42% last year and 43% this year) and if he just starts shooting more of them instead of trying to go for contested drives in the crowded paint or taking 1 dribble pullup and going for a long 2, he'd be good.
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Good criticism.
That and his focus on defense, along with getting killed on screens
 
NUMBERICA said:
The answer is getting rid of Burke and the position of traditional (backup) PG altogether and distribute the minutes/opportunities for better players/prospects. The Jazz are loaded with ballhandlers that are actually good, why make your life harder just to subscribe to conventional and flawed logic?
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Love it.
 
cowhide said:
I don't know why people are worried about the logjam if the Jazz were some how able to get Mario? a rotation of Hayward, Burks, Hood, Mario would be awesome. Yea Mario might be antsy to be a starter but if he earns it then you can either trade one guy or have Burks come off the bench. I recall both Hood and Burks saying they just want to play. Why Kanter didn't work is because he had a poor attitude.

i dont' think the Jazz have any chance to get Mario so I would look at getting a guy who could be a solid backup, that is why I would look at moving back and getting two picks if no one at 12 lights your fire. This draft looks to be deep. I would love it if the Jazz got a solid guy like Justin Anderson from Virginia along with a backup big guy if Tomic isn't coming over.
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I agree that if you have the opportunity to acquire Hezonja without giving up one of Hood or Burks, you do so & figure our playing time in the future. I do think that we have a chance to get Mario, but not without giving up Hood or Burks (which may turn out to be a good thing as Hezonja needs to feel like part of the long-term plans). If we are unable to move up for him & none of Johnson, Turner, Porzingis, or WCS drop to #12, then I agree that moving back for a complimentary player & additional 1st should be the next priority. I still don't think we become complacent & settle for rotational players/mid-late 1sts when we have what could turn out to be our last opportunity to acquire one more potential impact player.
 
zyzz said:
Who do you guys like in the second round in our range?

I like Alpha Kaba, Timothe Luwawu, Richaun Holmes, George de Paula, JP Tokoto, and maybe Dakari Johnson as a backup 5 for the 42nd pick
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@NetsDaily
Timothe Luwawu, 6'7" French SF moving up mocks, won't attend EuroCamp in Treviso. Supposedly wants 1st round guarantee.


Any one else amped for the Eurocamp? Luwawu wont attend because they have a playoff game tommorow, Ill post a link when it goes down.


Seems like Porz goes 5th btw, thats why he seems to be campaigning for the Knicks.


Oubre is legit, certainly a player that was over analyzed this year, If theres no Hezonja in this draft he goes higher, no chance he falls to 12.. Kelly can obviously play SG, that's not even debatable.. anyone who's got Devin Booker higher is really cutting Devin a ton of slack, and probably not much for Oubre.. I have Winslow slightly higher but its something i'm VERY hesitant about and will probably change before my final update. when they played together on Houston Hoops, Oubre stole the show... and took over as the swiss army knife, combo guard and did the heavy-lifting, while Winslow was rebounding and running the break and Justin Jackson was the floor spacer.
 
PointGod_AlecBurks said:
@NetsDaily
Timothe Luwawu, 6'7" French SF moving up mocks, won't attend EuroCamp in Treviso. Supposedly wants 1st round guarantee.


Any one else amped for the Eurocamp? Luwawu wont attend because they have a playoff game tommorow, Ill post a link when it goes down.


Seems like Porz goes 5th btw, thats why he seems to be campaigning for the Knicks.


Oubre is legit, certainly a player that was over analyzed this year, If theres no Hezonja in this draft he goes higher, no chance he falls to 12.. Kelly can obviously play SG, that's not even debatable.. anyone who's got Devin Booker higher is really cutting Devin a ton of slack, and probably not much for Oubre.. I have Winslow slightly higher but its something i'm VERY hesitant about and will probably change before my final update. when they played together on Houston Hoops, Oubre stole the show... and took over as the swiss army knife, combo guard and did the heavy-lifting, while Winslow was rebounding and running the break and Justin Jackson was the floor spacer.
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Oubre's spot up numbers are pretty good. He's got great physical tools. I think he's a good athlete but not amazing. I read Ford said we were down on him in his chat if I remember right. I think if he gets his mind right he could be Paul George... From 10-20 you could tell me any of those guys bust or become great and I wouldn't doubt it.
 
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Handlogten's Heros said:
Oubre's spot up numbers are pretty good. He's got great physical tools. I think he's a good athlete but not amazing. I read Ford said we were down on him in his chat if I remember right. I think if he gets his mind right he could be Paul George... From 10-20 you could tell me any of those guys bust or become great and I wouldn't doubt it.
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Oubre can be Paul George? Oubre standing reach is 8'6.5". George's standing reach is 8'11". George's size is what makes him so special. If he was Oubre's size he would be just another guy.

For reference Oubre is smaller than Burks, Hood and Hayward.
 
PointGod_AlecBurks said:
@NetsDaily
Timothe Luwawu, 6'7" French SF moving up mocks, won't attend EuroCamp in Treviso. Supposedly wants 1st round guarantee.


Any one else amped for the Eurocamp? Luwawu wont attend because they have a playoff game tommorow, Ill post a link when it goes down.


Seems like Porz goes 5th btw, thats why he seems to be campaigning for the Knicks.


Oubre is legit, certainly a player that was over analyzed this year, If theres no Hezonja in this draft he goes higher, no chance he falls to 12.. Kelly can obviously play SG, that's not even debatable.. anyone who's got Devin Booker higher is really cutting Devin a ton of slack, and probably not much for Oubre.. I have Winslow slightly higher but its something i'm VERY hesitant about and will probably change before my final update. when they played together on Houston Hoops, Oubre stole the show... and took over as the swiss army knife, combo guard and did the heavy-lifting, while Winslow was rebounding and running the break and Justin Jackson was the floor spacer.
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Yeah, Oubre being in the late teens on Ford's current big board is pretty ridiculous. The upside is obvious. He'd be a great pick up at #12, but I think Miami takes him.
 
Qman said:
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Oubre can be Paul George? Oubre standing reach is 8'6.5". George's standing reach is 8'11". George's size is what makes him so special. If he was Oubre's size he would be just another guy.

For reference Oubre is smaller than Burks, Hood and Hayward.
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7' 2.5" wingspan for Oubre vs. Less than 7' for George... Standing reach is not the only measure to gauge a guys length. They have similar numbers per 40 as freshman except that Oubre was playing against stronger competition.

I don't think he has a good chance to be that level of player otherwise he's be close to first on my draft board... I just see similarities. The knocks are kind of the same if I remember correctly... didn't dominate wondered if the guys floated a bit. I think the guy oozes with potential, but I am doubtful he can reach it.
 
IIRC George was wowing scouts with his athleticism in workouts. Haven't heard much of anything yet about how Oubre went. I take it they have been pretty average.
 
Johnson falling to us is probably the best outcome we can hope for.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgErk4xt5qE
 
cowhide said:
I don't know why people are worried about the logjam if the Jazz were some how able to get Mario? a rotation of Hayward, Burks, Hood, Mario would be awesome. Yea Mario might be antsy to be a starter but if he earns it then you can either trade one guy or have Burks come off the bench.
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I agree with this. Guy's like Kanter and Exum who are drafted as projects aren't really good examples to be comparing to a lot of players coming into the league. You don't really draft projects with the idea they will play a lot of minutes right off the bat. I think the Kanter situation could have been handled a little better, but I'm not going to fault the FO for not clearing out room for a project to get significant minutes, as opposed to making him earn it. The biggest reason for what happened with Enes was an attitude of self-entitlement, and don't be surprised when he has the exact same issue in OKC when everybody is healthy. You can't use the Kanter situation as an example of what not to do with other players. Draft the BPA and make him earn his playing time, and when he does, then make the necessary adjustments, but don't draft players with the idea that you owe them playing time before they earn it. Just don't be stupid about their playing time when they do prove they deserve more.
 
Just to be clear, I'm not saying log jams shouldn't be a legitimate concern. They should. Just the same, sometimes logjams are necessary in building a team, so just be smart about clearing them out as soon as possible, instead of avoiding them altogether.
 
FWIW
According to Frank Isola of the New York Daily News, it's all about Kentucky's Trey Lyles: "While Towns and Willie Cauley-Stein have garnered the most attention, the Knicks for months have been enamored with Trey Lyles, according to a team source. Lyles is a 6'10" forward out of Indianapolis who Phil Jackson sees as a good fit for the triangle offense."
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Probably not true, but if it is Lyles will most likely be there at 12. Don't know what it would take. Burks or Hood, #12, and a future first? For Winslow, Hezonja or WCS.
 
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