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George Hill coming to Utah

#bern said:
This dude thinks we could get Hill with 2nd rounders.

Top 15 pg for 2nd rounders.

I give up.
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No. I said a pick swap + 2nds. And you don't get it. Indiana and Atlanta wanted to deal. Hill HAD to be dealt. And after the trade, The report came out that Atlanta didn't really want to keep that pick. That tells me a swap + 2nds next season likely would have sealed the deal. Hill isn't a great PG anymore. He's good, but not all-star level. He's on an expiring, so they were looking to get whatever they could. Jazz burned a lottery pick on a player who might start this year, but then will be a backup to Dante for the next 4 as Hill ages and declines. Jazz need to be drafting guys they hope can develop into stars, not roster backups. Where would GS be had they not drafted Klay and Draymond but instead traded those picks for 12/3 30-yr olds?
 
Stifle Tower said:
No. I said a pick swap + 2nds. And you don't get it. Indiana and Atlanta wanted to deal. Hill HAD to be dealt. And after the trade, The report came out that Atlanta didn't really want to keep that pick. That tells me a swap + 2nds next season likely would have sealed the deal. Hill isn't a great PG anymore. He's good, but not all-star level. He's on an expiring, so they were looking to get whatever they could. Jazz burned a lottery pick on a player who might start this year, but then will be a backup to Dante for the next 4 as Hill ages and declines. Jazz need to be drafting guys they hope can develop into stars, not roster backups. Where would GS be had they not drafted Klay and Draymond but instead traded those picks for 12/3 30-yr olds?
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The only report came out was taht Atlanta was looking to move up in the draft with both picks. They didnt watn to get rid of the picks.
 
#bern said:
I still can't believe people think Teague is better than Hill. Do y'all actually watch basketball? Care about defense?
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It's honestly not even that someone could think Teague is better is that Hill is a much better fit. Doesn't need the ball to be effective, great defender, can play and guard both positions.

Teague is probably more exciting but exciting doesn't always win.
 
#bern said:
I still can't believe people think Teague is better than Hill. Do y'all actually watch basketball? Care about defense?
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Well coaches and media who watch the game must not be as smart as you since they all have Teague over Hill. Maybe you should get a GM job since you are smarter.. Hill might be a better defernder but Hill is not anywhere near a great defender. Teague hasmade all star games. .Indiana is going be really good this year. The starting lineup is very good. They are a much more potent team with Teague running the show then Hill was. Just watch and see Mr. GM
 
Teague and Hill aren't even able to be compared. Their skill sets are way too different. I view them as pretty equal value overall, but definitely prefer Hill for the Jazz team. He fits the defensive identity and length they've set up across the board, and he adds some much needed shooting. Most attractive is that he adds to the flexibility of the roster and lineups because he can seemingly mesh with any current or potential players and lineups on the Jazz, along with being able to find his role in any specific scheme or game plan. Clearly he is superior to Teague in this aspect.

Indiana feels they need more playmaking from their point guard position. Teague certainly provides more of that than Hill. Hopefully it works for them. Ellis may have to be lobotomized or sent to the bench however. Too bad they have him. Their defense will be worse for sure tho.
 
#bern said:
One of [MENTION=2408]PG_AB[/MENTION] ideas on how to improve the team, until he sucked in the finals and dude started deleting his posts. Typical of him.
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Is this true? He thinks his opinions on a message board are so important that he adjusts the record after the fact? Wow.
 
ncoloradojazz said:
Well coaches and media who watch the game must not be as smart as you since they all have Teague over Hill. Maybe you should get a GM job since you are smarter.. Hill might be a better defernder but Hill is not anywhere near a great defender. Teague hasmade all star games. .Indiana is going be really good this year. The starting lineup is very good. They are a much more potent team with Teague running the show then Hill was. Just watch and see Mr. GM
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What media?

I've seen what Zach Lowe and Nate Duncan have to say...both nationally known. Danny Chau. Just to name a few...they all like Hill better.
 
GHill is a really good pickup for the Jazz guard crew,he'll be a good complimentary player .But the last two years Indiana is only one game over 50%.
It makes for a good sound byte,"Jazz want to win now" but they finished only two games under .500 with Exum,Burks,Favors and Gobert hurt for all season and major parts of the season.It doesn't take much imagination to think Jazz could have been 10 games plus in the win column with a healthy team.
So I think a healthy Exum,Burks,Gobert,Favors gets Jazz "winning" moreso than the trade for GHill.
 
Reading this thread people would think Teague is a non-shooting PG who can't defend none of which are true.

Teague shot %40 from 3 on 3.5 attempts. Both are career-highs. Same Percentage with Hill albeit with slightly fewer attempts. Teague also got the line more and shot better from there. Teague suffered from being the only guard that can handle the ball in the starting line-up. Him with Hayward wouldn't have that problem.

One of Jazz's problems offensively was penetration. It's why defenses could focus on Hayward so much. We need someone besides Hayward that can get into the paint and break down the defenses. Teague can get wherever he wants on the court and has a pretty good vision. He can run the pick and roll, penetrate and kick out and score inside. He would take so much load of off Hayward.

One of Hayward's best attribute is that he can play off-ball as well as he can play on-ball. Teague would give him some off-ball looks from three which would seriously reduce the predictability of our offense and increase Hayward's 3pt FG.

On defense, Hill can be better but Teague isn't some Lillard either. He was part of a very good defensive team that really didn't have elite defensive players last year. Teague held opposing PG's to %38.3 shooting, in pick and roll he held ballhandles to 0.69 points per possession the year before. He was also playing with a bad knee this year(which is a concern by itself) but if he can heal through that it's not unimaginable that he would reach those numbers with Gobert and Fave behind him.


P.s this isn't to say I don't like the trade at all. I love it and don't mind Hill over Teague. It's just Teague was getting crushed here and I had to say how Teague would help us.
 
Stifle Tower said:
It's this. I like Hill; he's a good player. But did Utah give up getting another player like Gobert or Hood? Or even worse, a shot at finding a real gem like Klay, Draymond, etc.? The list of all-stars includes a couple of players drafted at/after #12 every year. Guys like Hill can usually be had at the deadline for a 2nd-rounder (i.e. expiring who won't be back with their team). Atlanta didnt even WANT to keep their picks in order to free up more money for free agency.

DL should have gotten Hill much cheaper and STILL had a chance on getting a player with tremendous upside at #12, especially with a couple of players who slipped. He tried to trade back in, but couldn't. That's because he panicked and gave away the #12 when he probably could have played hardball and insisted on swapping picks with Atlanta and throwing in a couple of seconds.
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Lol. Your posts are funny. Looking forward to your "apologies" to George Hill and DL thread due by Christmas.
 
Both Teague and Hill are good players. Hill is the better fit for Utah, but even if some fans can't agree with that, they should understand that Utah didn't want to give up a lottery pick for someone who would likely leave in a year.
 
ONE LOVE said:
I think it will take Baldwin at least 3-4 seasons to get close to the kind of consistent plays & leadership at the point that Hill can provide from day 1 ...


Also there is no guarantee what kind of 3pt % Baldwin will put up in the NBA ...
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Exactly what I was saying.
 
#bern said:
I still can't believe people think Teague is better than Hill. Do y'all actually watch basketball? Care about defense?
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Try not to think it's that unbelievable.
Do a Google search for top pg guards in the nba.
I looked at 4 different lists. 3 has teague ahead of hill and 1 had hill ahead of teague.
They were always really close to each other.
 
King Cy said:
I dont think either of Indiana, Utah, or Atlanta were desperate to get a trade done, so I don't really think any side got a significantly better deal. I think it was a pretty fair deal on all sides because of that.
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This.
It was a fair trade. I think it was a great trade for utah
 
fishonjazz said:
Try not to think it's that unbelievable.
Do a Google search for top pg guards in the nba.
I looked at 4 different lists. 3 has teague ahead of hill and 1 had hill ahead of teague.
They were always really close to each other.
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Yeah I think Hill is the better player, even regardless of fit but it's not like it's some wide margin.

It's one of those situations where the causal fan see's all star appearances and Google's assist numbers to determine who is better and who is not and luckily GM's (well at least our GM) does not think that way.
 
MDAV28 said:
Yeah I think Hill is the better player, even regardless of fit but it's not like it's some wide margin.

It's one of those situations where the causal fan see's all star appearances and Google's assist numbers to determine who is better and who is not and luckily GM's (well at least our GM) does not think that way.
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Exactly. It's not insanity to prefer teague to hill.
It's not like anyone is saying they prefer adam keefe over lebron or something.
 
Hill is a great pick up and giving up our draft pick in a watered down draft was a risk, but a good risk to take. We've desperately needed to add depth especially at the PG position and we did that. The biggest risk that you could argue is that George Hill is a UFA after this season and signing with the Jazz would be unlikely in that we will probably lose him, come end of season. Greg Popovich has always said great things about him after they were unable to retain him. Should benefit the jazz this season at least
 
We are still betting on Exum. I think they realize Hill works better with Exum. I see them playing together, and Hill
being a second string if and when Exum explodes. Teague has to be the man, and would not sit for Exum.
 
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