Pleiss Traded to Philly!!!

[infection]

He was picked with a very high second round pick... so by the logic that two teams offered Kanter a deal he was a prospect at one time.

I don't see that as a very tight connection. We were trading a player to a team who matched a max offer from a second team. That shows he had a specific monetary value to at least two teams. OKC valuing Pleiss as a worthy high second round pick in their given circumstances really has no bearing to us nor indicate our value of the player, unless we're saying we valued Pleiss so high that we'd give up a #3 pick for him. But let's get real. We didn't trade for Pleiss. We just took a collection of trash as somehow it all had additive value as a composite. I'm perfectly content letting Kanter walk.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

That's what I would have done, correct. We didn't exactly get anything for Kanter. If you had a car that's worth $5k, would you rather give it away to charity or trade it for a box of yesterday's hot dogs from 711? From a purely economical point of view the latter obviously wins out, but we're not really looking at it in isolation.

Let's say you have a $10M piece of flawed real estate would you rather give it away for nothing to teach it a lesson or trade it for an asset worth $3-5M in 3 years?

Everyone of us would take the car worth $5k and sell it to someone who offered the most... unless you are donating a $500 car to charity and saying it's worth $5k for tax benefits.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I don't see that as a very tight connection. We were trading a player to a team who matched a max offer from a second team. That shows he had a specific monetary value to at least two teams. OKC valuing Pleiss as a worthy high second round pick in their given circumstances really has no bearing to us nor indicate our value of the player, unless we're saying we valued Pleiss so high that we'd give up a #3 pick for him. But let's get real. We didn't trade for Pleiss. We just took a collection of trash as somehow it all had additive value as a composite. I'm perfectly content letting Kanter walk.

OKC viewed him as a prospect... Team #1
Utah viewed him as a prospect... Team #2
He was a prospect.


Porty may have viewed Kanter as a prospect or they were forcing OKC to pay more for him than they should. OKC matched because they valued him there I guess.

 

[Revolution 9]

What a weird move. Ive always liked Marhsall. Got to love a pass first PG with vision.

I will take to twitter to thank him for his service

 

[Miggs]

This move was to help make a max offer for Favors, I'm guessing. I expect it to follow suit in the coming days.

 

[homeytennis]

What a weird move. Ive always liked Marhsall. Got to love a pass first PG with vision.

I will take to twitter to thank him for his service

It was after Tomic left us at the altar that the Jazz opened up the money bags for Tibor.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

This move was to help make a max offer for Favors, I'm guessing. I expect it to follow suit in the coming days.

Can't be done until sept/oct if iirc... so don't get nervous if nothing is announced soon.

 

[Hedda Gambler]

Can't be done until sept/oct if iirc... so don't get nervous if nothing is announced soon.

3 years after the player agreed on his 2nd contract, so mid/late October.

 

[Miggs]

3 years after the player agreed on his 2nd contract, so mid/late October.

Thanks.

 

[Hedda Gambler]

Why does everyone assume that we need to offer Derrick the max to get him to sign an extension? If we up him to 17,5 for the next two years, that would net him 10 million extra over the next two years. 17,5/17,5/Max/Player option for the 4th year with a max salary would be extremely hard to turn down. He gets another 10 million dollars, one more year at the max, while only agreed to one more year. We get him for the additional year without having to use all our cap space on him.

 

[silesian]

I'm leaning towards 100% something is in the works. Aren't we still below the salary floor? If we are, we just paid money to get even more below the salary floor which would mean Miller would just have to pay even more money out in contract bonuses.

Possibly. Falls into my category "...do something constructive with the cap space that makes the team better..."

 

[LogGrad98]

Can someone tell me how to feel?

The same kind of feeling that comes when the plane finally lands after being delayed in a holding pattern for a half hour and you finally make it to the bathroom to take that dump that has been knocking for 2 hours.

 

[silesian]

I'm actually more happy that we aren't making decisions based on sunk costs... one of the biggest issues in business and sports. We gave up value for Tibor, but if it isn't working admit it and move on. So many GMs compound problems by not allowing themselves to admit they were wrong.

Bingo. Ego and job preservation drive the sunk cost fallacy.

 

[LogGrad98]

It was after Tomic left us at the altar that the Jazz opened up the money bags for Tibor.

I wish Tibor the best. Hopefully he can put together a career something like Kosta Koufos. I am a Pleiss fan and hope he gets a chance to play in the NBA for a while.

And hopefully they are stockpiling cap space to go after a real superstar in the next year or 2. Push us into tier #1 and become true contenders.

 

[enchilada_style]

This is like whatevs ya know?

 

[latin jazz]

Yes... they have value. On draft night they are worth more... If we sold off two picks one of which is likely a late 2nd rounder for 2.5-3M then its fair value for a future asset. The roster spot is also important as another poster noted. That's another chance we have to look at a player now.

I don't love the deal, but I'm realistic in looking at the whole thing. I'd love to have an owner like Balmer that says eff it we will take the hit, extend favors and pay money to preserve the assets. The Millers don't have that kind of cash and I don't think they are nearly as emotionally invested as some of the owners are.

Not every 1st or 2nd are worth the same. Because we were able to sell one for 3M doesn't mean that's their value looking into the future. This last draft there were several good projects that fell to the 2nd round. Their value is set on draft night by how much money a particular team is willing to pay when a player drops.

Anyone has any idea how much we paid for the 1st that net us Rudy? it seems it was below 3M

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

So, does anybody want to continue to say that the Kanter trade was even an average deal?

We're gonna end up with a couple 2nd rounders, with a slim chance at a first rounder. Awesome.

We had to get rid of Kanter. There was no choice. We got what the market would bear. It wasn't much. There's nothing to do but turn the page.

 

[NCJazz]

OKC viewed him as a prospect... Team #1
Utah viewed him as a prospect... Team #2
He was a prospect.


Porty may have viewed Kanter as a prospect or they were forcing OKC to pay more for him than they should. OKC matched because they valued him there I guess.

Wish we could have gotten Abrines instead, but OKC apparently valued him to much to include in the trade.

 

[NCJazz]

Not every 1st or 2nd are worth the same. Because we were able to sell one for 3M doesn't mean that's their value looking into the future. This last draft there were several good projects that fell to the 2nd round. Their value is set on draft night by how much money a particular team is willing to pay when a player drops.

Anyone has any idea how much we paid for the 1st that net us Rudy? it seems it was below 3M

Zubac already looking a lot better than many of the first round picks and I am sure I dont need to mention Jokic.

 

[silesian]

Why does everyone assume that we need to offer Derrick the max to get him to sign an extension? If we up him to 17,5 for the next two years, that would net him 10 million extra over the next two years. 17,5/17,5/Max/Player option for the 4th year with a max salary would be extremely hard to turn down. He gets another 10 million dollars, one more year at the max, while only agreed to one more year. We get him for the additional year without having to use all our cap space on him.

Fav compares this to the possible option of 10/10 followed by 4 year max, which in combination is 6 years, but bears with it injury and performance degradation risk. He may want to take that chance, when compared to signing now and being locked down for only 3-4 years.

Locke implied that Fav will only sign a max-now extension, he framed it in terms of "fairness" and feels that he is worth the max now (an extension like Harden's). Locke seems to believe that Favors extension is unlikely for this reason. Not sure if this is his gut or if he has first-hand knowledge based on discussion with Fav or others with inside knowledge.