fair enough. I believe you are being perfectly sincere. lol
hey, I thought I liked your post. Did the rep come through as a pos rep?
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fair enough. I believe you are being perfectly sincere. lol
hey, I thought I liked your post. Did the rep come through as a pos rep?
Pos rep and a dislike lol.
ha ha. In continuing the above vein, should I insist that you deserve rep even if I don't like it??????
It was my big fingers hitting the wrong spot giving you the dislike. Can we reverse mistakes like this somehow???
Nope, all sales are final.
My first dislike I think. Wear it with pride haha. Your way of giving the mods the bird.
Jonah
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Actual, substantiated and proven billionaire Mark Cuban, speaking a few days ago on CNN:
This criticism goes beyond partisan politics. Cuban has rarely spoken out on political issues and is unaffiliated with either party. He is speaking out now because a Trump presidency poses an existential threat to the nation. Thin-skinned and quick to anger, deeply ingrained personality traits that he has never shown any ability to overcome, coupled with a pathological compulsion to blurt out whatever is on his mind, all make Trump temperamentally unfit to be president.
This criticism goes beyond partisan politics. Cuban has rarely spoken out on political issues and is unaffiliated with either party. He is speaking out now because a Trump presidency poses an existential threat to the nation. Thin-skinned and quick to anger, deeply ingrained personality traits that he has never shown any ability to overcome, coupled with a pathological compulsion to blurt out whatever is on his mind, all make Trump temperamentally unfit to be president.
It goes beyond partisan politics because unlike any Trump supporter, Cuban is not a total ****ing idiot.
Personally what Cuban says on the matter really doesn't matter to me. It has no bearing on my opinion. Him being a billionaire also has no bearing on my opinion.
For what it's worth I do not think he is wrong.
This one is just a tad over the top. Money is fungible. You're calling out Trump for one of two things:
1. He got NBC to shell out $.5mm to his charity.
2. He has foregone $.5mm in compensation and sent it to his charity instead.
Which of the two stances are you taking?
Not to pick on any one of Trump's critics. . . . Mark Cuban has not earned any more respect than Trump. A point of view without any reasonable basis is just that.
There will be a lot of vitriol, undoubtedly, down the home stretch in this election, but the evidence for an "unbalanced" extremist consists in this sort of statement. Without any discussion of purported facts, forty percent of Americans are dismissed here with expletive epithets.
this method is an ad hominem attack that could be termed an existential threat to civil society.
Trump might be seen by some as an existential threat to the way things are, as in a threat to the ideals of progressivism, and it's understandable he has upset the usual two party puppet show we have seen in the past, where the alleged "two-party political system" offers us a choice without a distinction in terms of resetting our national course towards the ideals of modern progressivism.
How about some full disclosure, for example, regarding the policy outcomes we want from our choice for President in this election.
For many, his loose rhetoric creates the hope for a President who says what he thinks, and his changes in position create the hope that he's willing to think again. Not really such scary stuff. I'm more concerned about politicians who never say what they think, or who believe nothing, and say what their handlers advise, and never listen to me.
If I wanted to do the exercise, I could do a pretty good job of painting a positive picture of progressivism, I just think there needs to be some consideration of the drawbacks.
I'm not sure what anyone in the Hillary/Jeb Bush set of globalists really thinks, personally. I do see that some reliably push the agenda core objectives, and realize that their political careers are locked in with all that. Neither am I sure what Trump really thinks when he's not on stage. . . .. but it does look to me like Trump figures his support comes from people who don't particularly like the way we've been doing.
Count me in on that point, at least.
fgcamel
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Blah blah blah, more liberal propaganda. Tell it to Mr & Mr Obama.
Jonah
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I’m calling out Trump for neither of those two things. That’s your false dichotomy. Fact is, all we know is NBC donated $.5 million to the Trump Foundation. Whether "he got NBC to shell out” the money is supposition worded to favor Trump’s deal-making prowess, which I’m not inclined to do. The second option is all supposition. Setting up a false dilemma as an introduction to an argument is poor form.
You point me to one fact about Trump and I'll reconsider my statement.
Jonah
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Cuban being a billionaire was a way of introducing him and contrasting him with Trump. I respect his verbal intelligence (he’s able to express himself exceptionally well) but try to judge his opinions on their own merits. The contrast is that Cuban is a proven billionaire, as demonstrated by his past sale of assets in excess of $3 billon and his more recent acquisitions, including ownership stakes in publicly traded companies, whereas Trump’s wealth is much more nebulous and unprovable. Also, a nod to the fact that Cuban has questioned Trump’s net worth as being vastly overstated and inconsequential in light of and compared to his relatively meager (for a supposed billionaire) liquid assets and available cash.
Donald Trump was not considered a true Republican by even the RNC at the outset, and many of the Council of Foreign Relations, Republican and Democrat, consider him a threat to their general programs, and so judging by the folks who are most vocal in criticizing him, they believe he will do some things they don't want. I doubt even that, really, because I see him being a player when he's at the plate, or has the ball.... whatever sports figure you care to apply.
If that's the case, he's not an "idiot" any more than any other politician, he's just trying to capitalize on existing voter malcontent.
I'm not really trying to change your mind. I consider that your business. Mine is to make some waves in JazzFanz, fun I hope.
Again, point me to one fact about Trump.
This is not about R vs. D or his stance on the issues or Hillary. This is about Trump posing a massive threat to our country by his sheer belligerence. Anyone with half a brain can see that. Unfortunately nearly half of our populace don't even have half a brain.
I think quantitative measures of wealth are all pretty inconsequential in regard to the worth of an idea.
Real Estate, and Art, have monetary value that is speculative until the moment they are sold. Usually, real estate values are estimated by applying a multiplier to a cash flow generated by the property, as rents or as cash receipts from casinos.
Why is it important to conflate opinion with net worth??? It's a given everybody has an opinion and a smell, and mostly others think they both stink. Well, not mine. lol.
So the way I analyze Cuban's remark, I'd figure he thinks a lot of himself..... so does Trump.
OK, do you think I know something nobody else knows? Here's what a lot of people see:
Obamacare modified to give more choice and less expensive.
Fewer migrants who won't "fit in" and be good citizens loyal to the United States.
Less socialism, more job opportunities.
A different core of bureaucratic officials with less obnoxious manners and programs and policies.
A stronger military, with better care for Veterans than the poor, tired masses streaming in to join our welfare rolls.
Of course one man's belligerence is another man's sensible management.
I don't see Trump as uncaring about people or careless about American citizen interests.
fgcamel
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I'll never understand this part.
yah. There might be a better way to invest tax dollarsl.....
Jonah
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I don’t conflate opinion and net worth. You misread my post if that’s your conclusion. I do find it funny the way Cuban is able to prick at Trump and so easily get under his skin by questioning his wealth. Trump’s huge ego ("the beauty of me is that I’m very rich”) is completely wrapped up in his wealth. In contrast, Cuban is much more relatable precisely because he has a sense of humor about himself and his wealth and readily acknowledges he was incredibly luckily with the timing of his sale of Broadcast.com and how that enabled him to become a billionaire.