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What's the concensus on the Fultz v Ball matchup last night except "they're both pretty good in their own way"
 
Down goes Chino Hills and their 60-game win streak at the hands of Lindell Wigginton's 35 on 14/22fgs and a dagger(Been hyping him here for some time) and Billy Preston's 16 and 22 boards.

LiAngelo with a woefully inefficient shooting night 20 something on like 35 shots..
 
Keep an eye on Wyomings 6'7" 180lb So. SG Justin James who dropped a career-high 26 and 7 assists today on just 12 fga's! Underrated Florida kid. 41% from 3 on 2.7attempts per game.

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He and Hayden Dalton both look like future pros.
 
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What's the concensus on the Fultz v Ball matchup last night except "they're both pretty good in their own way"
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I didn't see it but it looks like Fultz had very little help offensively and Ball had all sorts of help, as per usual.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo5sMQLBK4Y
 
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Chemizie Metu with a career high 29pts on 12/14 shooting, 8 boards 2 blocks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKhQ7DXqzXA
Drew Eubanks with 22-17 (Oregon st. falls to 4-20).... I really wonder what UK would look like if you swapped him and Bam...

Zach Collins with 14-8 and a block in 19 minutes. Tillie with 10-4 and 2 steals in 10 minutes. The Zags are rolling!!

career high 20points for Donte DiVincenzo, he definitely looks like a priority 2nd rounder type eventually. Mikal Bridges with 14-5reb-2ast-4stl-3blks. 26-9-5 for Hart.

19-3-3 for Donovan Mitchell, as long as he keeps shooting from 3 at this rate his stock should be safely in the 1st.

Strong showing from Florida's Devin Robinson and John Egbunu.

26 and 17 for the NCAA's leading rebounder Angel Delgado in victory over Georgetown. LJ Peak with 18 5 and 7 ast in the loss.

another day another 4 block game for Robert Williams. 16-16 2 blks and 2/3 from 3 for Duop Reath in the loss.

Eric Mika 23-12-2 ast. Any BYU fans know if he's Dolph Lundgrin clone?

Markis MacDuffie with 16 -5- 1ast-3stl. He's shooting 39% from deep

good games all around for Mustapha Heron, Danjel Purifoy, Jared Harper in victory vs Alabama. Brandon Key and Dazon Ingram with nice showings for the tide.

decent statlines for Andrew Jones and Jarrett Allen but UT gets destroyed once again.

15-9-4blks for Tacko Fall in a 15pt victory over Memphis. Dedric Lawson with 28-10-3ast-3stl-1blk and 14/14 from the stripe.

Kerem Kanter and Green Bay upset Valpo! Alec Peters with 20 8 and 2 in defeat.

5-blocks today for Michael Weathers, his 3pt shot has fallen off tho down to 28% on the season.

Troy's Jordon Varnado with 12-8rebs-3ast-3blks in 26 minutes. The 6'6 swingman's shooting 55% from the field 40% from 3 (2attempts per) and 68% from the stripe. 1.2 blocks per game, he's certainly somewhere on the 2nd rd radar.
 
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After watching some Fox and Smith, they seem to have very similar strengths and weaknesses. Who is the better prospect and why?
 
BTP said:
After watching some Fox and Smith, they seem to have very similar strengths and weaknesses. Who is the better prospect and why?
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it depends on what the team needs. whats most important is how they stack up vs nba pg's and i'd say that's safely above avg, meaning they're both extremely scarce commodities(stacked up vs future draftees too)

ultimately fox is going to get drafted very high because of his speed. there's just not 6'3½" floor-general's with that type of speed to be found. There doesn't appear to be any on the horizon in the next few years.. if he really improves his outside shot he's a HOF talent in my estimation..

ultimately dennis smith is going to get drafted very high because he can potentially operate as both a p'n'r dynamo and an iso scorer, this is also what separates him from many of the PG's we'll see in the coming years. his upside is something greater than kemba walker..

both share a knack for spectacularly difficult high-octane finishes at the rim. very different personality wise, fox has a perfectionist way about him, ds4's more laid back, you could say it's reflected in their defensive intensity.

DS4 is shooting 39% from 3 on almost 5 attempts per game. While Fox has been atrocious from deep, this could end up being the deciding factor. I like Fox's chances at shooting better though, he obviously needs some minor adjustments he shoots laserbeams..


fwiw - I still think Fox is a good fit with Philly to run that warpspeed showtime fastbreak with Simmons..
 
can't imagine there's actually 39 players in the class of 2018 better than Jairus Hamilton. scouts got him ranked #40. 6'8 and 230lbs with a versatile skillset already.. i really like his chances, reminds me of Harrison Barnes(and some tj warren) he's built like an NFL tight end.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Q5JBD47wDU
like his chances at being a better nba player than any of the Hamilton bro's (Isaac could sneak into the 2nd rd this year)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNKpPQbwRio&t=4s

kinda hoping he picks up a UK offer. they've got their sights set on 5*'s like Cam Reddish tho..
 
i just caught the ucla-washington replay and Lonzo seemed to get the better of the action due to his activity level defensively, despite them finishing with near identical statlines.



Lonzo definitely has a very strong case for #2
 
6'11" '99-born bigman Olivier Sarr from Paris/INSEP has recruiting interest from Stanford and ASU in the hs class of 2017. Looks like a very interesting athlete, and surely Rudy's gotta be one of his hero's.
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long arms built like John Henson. super raw offense. He might still be growing. scout's got him as 4-stars..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hMcqrhz7AM

I hope he ends up at Stanford, that'll means they'll have assembled my favorite roster there since the Lopez bro's. German PF Oscar Da Silva's already on board.
 
Ball, Fox and Smithjr are all so close. I give Ball the slight edge because he's bigger than the other two and his ability to make guys better is slightly above the other two.

I then go Fox due to his defense and length. Smith is stronger and the better long range shooter. both ridiculously explosive and can get to and finish at the rim. Ball and Fox seem more steady in terms of demeanor/attitude. IMO, Smith has a little CP3/MJ - this killer, take over thing that is rare- in his game, but on the other hand i don't always trust his attitude, which is anti MJ.

Bottom line, i'm not sure you go wrong and all three i think have HOF/multiple all-star potential. likely one of the three will bust, though bust for them will mean they don't make multiple all star games. these dudes are special. as a group of three, they have better potential coming out of college than Paul/Williams/Felton, IMO.
 
[MENTION=2408]PG_AB[/MENTION] Lonzo is obviously going to be a top-3 pick. LaMelo is a 5-star recruit. LiAngelo is only a 3-star. What is the difference between him and his two brothers? From watching games it seems like he's a stretch power forward in a guards body.


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White Chocolate said:
[MENTION=2408]PG_AB[/MENTION] Lonzo is obviously going to be a top-3 pick. LaMelo is a 5-star recruit. LiAngelo is only a 3-star. What is the difference between him and his two brothers? From watching games it seems like he's a stretch power forward in a guards body.


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i've only seen him once, but you hit the nail on the head, IMO. he's 6'6" 240 and still in HS - unless he works his *** off, he's going to be 6'6" 250+ when he hits the league. lights out shooter, but still might be playing the wrong sport. perhaps he can be PJ Tucker or Jae Crowder if he can really learn to D guys up.
 
also, Ball still shooting 43% from 3, but i remain uneasy about his funky shooting stroke. I'd feel better if he were an 80% FT shooter rather than 65%. i admit, that probably isn't fair because he's sustained the accuracy for as long as he has, but the poor FT% kinda supports my worry.
 
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i've only seen him once, but you hit the nail on the head, IMO. he's 6'6" 240 and still in HS - unless he works his *** off, he's going to be 6'6" 250+ when he hits the league. lights out shooter, but still might be playing the wrong sport. perhaps he can be PJ Tucker or Jae Crowder if he can really learn to D guys up.
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Yeah, that's rough. That's basically no man's land. Too big for a guard and too short for a big. He can definitely score the ball. He won't be as good in the post in college as he is in high school because of the competition. He needs to really work on his weight and be a lights out shooter.


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LiAngelo will outperform that 3* ranking in his time at UCLA, I guarantee it. I'd have him at 4-stars tbh he's certainly a way better shooter/scorer than many of 4-stars ranked ahead of him...

unless he's got a real discipline problem he'll lose the weight. we're not talking about a players weight at the combine here, he's got time.

if he's a 3* than he's one of my favorite 3*'s in the class up there with Jordan Nwora(UL), OShae Brissett(Syracuse), Victor Uyaelunmo(USC), Xavier Tillman(MSU), Herb Jones(Bama) and TyShon Alexander(Creighton)


The real key that people are overlooking with LiAngelo is UCLA might desperately need his 3pt shooting next year............. Outside shooting isn't their 5-star recruits Jalen Hands and Kris Wilkes forte and they're sure to lose a ton of firepower, Alford and Hamilton graduate. Ball, Leaf, Holiday, Anibogu, even Welsh could all declare..
 
Lonzo is the floor general, LaMelo is a reckless high-volume scoring PG and LiAngelo is the swingman. thats the biggest difference I suppose.


Lonzo's like a young Luke, LaMelo's like a young Anikan and LiAngelo's more like the brazen smuggler/Han Solo type, he doesn't have the same juice but you couldn't convince him of that.. Lavar is obviously Yoda.
 
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I've made several posts about Lindell Wigginton here. He's the one who put the finishing touches on Chino Hills win streak. LiAngelo hurt his ankle in this game and shot horrifically afterwards.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USuBV1vb3M4

Scout's still got wigginton ranked 65th but he looks like a possible 1 and done candidate to me. great floater, he's a scoring PG with a great outside shot, crafty, great floater, great scoring instincts. I've said before he's got some Mo Williams to his game.

Iowa St. definitely plans to hand him the keys at PG next year with Morris graduating. He's gonna have the greenlight to score at will too.

He scored like 15 points in the last 5 minutes of this game finished with 35 on something like 14/22 from the field.


I'd even go as far as calling him a poormans Kyrie.
 
FSU can pretty much beat anyone if they play like that 109-61 vs a usually game Clemson team...

quiet game from Isaac. Bacon led the way and their bench shot like 80% it's insane...
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Ethan Happ's balling on IU.

Tony Bradley with some loud contributions for UNC off the bench in a win over ND.
 
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